Monday, June 23, 2008

Entrapment

You ever read a blog that just pisses you right the hell off, and you wonder why the hell you keep reading it?  I believe that the only way to learn is to listen to voices that have a different experience from you, but sometimes lunacy is just plain and simple lunacy.  Over at the Root there is a blogger named Jimi Izrael, and recently he wrote about the case of a young man serving five years in prison after being lured into sex with an underage girl.  This underage "lolita" created a myspace page where she advertised herself as a 19 year old divorced woman, for the purposes of engaging in sex with older men.  22 year old Morris Williams reportedly got together with her a few times before engaging in sex. Apparently he is not the first man to be convicted for having sex with her.

Let me start out by saying that deception is wrong. Read that last sentence over again woman hating trolls before you comment. For Morris this is a case of a burned booty call.  How is it possible to engage in conversation with a child, and not be able to tell that they are child? At some point the immaturity of the person that you are speaking to will make itself evident. As Maya Angelou is famous for saying, "people always show you who they are".  I understand that the blood draining from your brain to your penis is a huge distraction, however if you were not so busy thinking about her tits and your two thrust and shiver routine, perhaps you might have noticed that something was a little off.

The media of course is loving this, and is busy painting this 13 year old child as a wanton sex vixen.  We are expected to mourn for these two men who were helpless in the face of all of this free pussy.  We cannot possibly expect a man to decline sex, or question the age of his partner when there is a chance for a booty call. What self respecting man stops to question before getting his rocks off, one has got to have priorities.  The media is so busy painting this child as a temptress, that no one has questioned what may have caused this behavior in the first place.  This is clearly a call for help on her part, and no one is listening. Why haven't child protection services gotten involved? Oh I forgot she is doing what comes natural, because all black women are licentious, deceptive whores anyway.

 

11 comments:

Danny said...

Actually Jimi comes right out and says that the two men being put in jail is, "hard, but it’s fair."

What he is wondering where is the accountability on the part of the parents and/or Dean herself. She doesn't deserve to get drug through the dirt when she obviously needs help but at the same time I cannot deny one thing: If this was an underage boy and an older woman there's a good chance that older woman would never see the inside of a prison cell. And even if she did it wouldn't be for long.

Renee said...

@Danny

I acknowledge that Jimi feels the sentencing is fair. My issue is withholding a 13 year old child accountable in this case. I blame the parents, I blame child protection services and even the media but not the girl.

Children who act out like this are usually victims of some sort of abuse. This is something he did not even bother to explore.

As a mother and a woman, I firmly believe that any abuse of children should be severely punished regardless of the sex of the abuser. So all of those female teachers that recently have been charged with having sex with underage boys should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Abuse is abuse.

lujlp said...

You know why this guy is in jail? Because once he found out the girls age he stopped seeing her, and told her father what she was up to.

His reponse? throw the guy in jail and do nothing about the fact that she is still trolling for men.

This girl drove to meet him, she drove a car, so you can see why he wouldnt have thought she was 13 right?

nd with all the groth hormones pumped into all the livesttock we ate is it really any wonder that young womne dont look their age anymore?

This girl commited fraud and has destroyed a lot of peoples lives. And dont give me the "She's a victim"

Most perps started out as victims themselves, I dont hear people crying for the kid gloves treatment of pedophiles simply because they were victims once.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16348047/detail.html

Even after sending two men to jail she still has no curfew and her myspace page was still left up.

ANd if your going to say girls who do this are victims then I ask you what are the nearly 20 girls in Gloster MA victims of?

Renee said...

Most perps started out as victims themselves, I dont hear people crying for the kid gloves treatment of pedophiles simply because they were victims once.

In case you didn't notice the girl is 13. I repeat 13. This is a call for help on her part and no one is listening. They only seem content on focusing on the sexual aspect of this case. The difference between her and a pedophile is that she has not abused anyone. She is also still young enough that if she gets some help she may manage not to screw up the rest of her life. Stop looking for the mens rights angle on everything. Very telling that you had no comment on the post I wrote about the sex trade workers being slaughtered in Niagara or the beating of Duanna Johnson, but then one is only a victim when you say so right? WHen they fit the narrow little paradigm you have in your head.
As far as her driving to the date no news report that I accessed before posting that story mentioned that.

Danny said...

Renee:
Stop looking for the mens rights angle on everything.

lujlp isn't looking for an MRA angle. She/he is looking an accountability and equal treatment angle. I understand that things change depending on the circumstances but this girl went out her way to deceive two adults. Now I'm not saying she should be on the sex offender registry for life but to just sweep under the rug what she did?

Renee said...

@ Danny
I am not saying to sweep it under the rug. I am saying that the girl needs help. This definitely should not be forgotten about. As far as Lujlp his/her history of MRA advocacy in every single circumstance speaks for itself.

lujlp said...

First I am a man, second I am a mens right activist as much as I am A woamns rights activist.
I just depends on who is getting dumped on.

In this case the guy once he realized what was going on came forward and TRIED to get this girls some help, and we all saw how he was rewarded for his efforts.

Meanwhile this girl is still up to her same antics and her family is doing nothing about it.

JUst because she is 13 does not absolve her of responsibility, a five year old is capable of knowing the difference between a lie and the truth.

The fisrt guy she sent to prison we have no details on o I can see an argument for leniency on her behalf.

But she knew ful well what happened to him before she hit on this second guy, and lord knows how many others there are.

You mentioned anyone talking to this girl should have known her age, I have one question twords that statement, Did you talk to her, face to face?

If not then you cannot know for sure.

Also in this age of celebrated female sexuall freedom whs to say that they spent that much time talking before first having sex?

Do you know how much junkmail I get regarding adult freindfinder and other hookup sex services?

These days you can even rely on a drivers licence to gauge someones age.

Feminism has decreed that women can be as free in their sexual encouters as men, I have no problem with that, I acctually enjoy it.

But feminism oddly doesnt requrire that women take responsibility for their actions which is bullshit.

This girl lured in two men(that we know of) with lies.

Any other guys who she slept with certianly wont be admiting it after seeing how the guy who tried to stop her fraud was treated.

And perhaps the reason I didnt protest your posts on the beating and slugter was because I did not disagree and had nothing to contribute the conversation that someone had not already said

Kinda funny isnt it?

I say something and you think Im wrong and trying to oppress
&
I say nothing and you think Im wrong and trying to oppress

Which of us do you think really has a problem with the other gender?

Renee said...

Also in this age of celebrated female sexuall freedom whs to say that they spent that much time talking before first having sex?

On the video that I posted he said that he met with her several times before engaging in sex with her

You mentioned anyone talking to this girl should have known her age, I have one question twords that statement, Did you talk to her, face to face?

Unless she is a complete aberration a child cannot pass themselves off as an adult. There is a level of maturity that only experience gives.

I say something and you think Im wrong and trying to oppress
&
I say nothing and you think Im wrong and trying to oppress

Which of us do you think really has a problem with the other gender?


When I posted about Stephine Beck you commented that it was telling that I didn't post about an incident that occurred before womanist musings was even created. Don't like your own tactics coming back at you, do you? In answer to who really has a problem with gender, that would be you.

lujlp said...

Also I think this second guy only got 1 year with 5yrs probation.

And as far as the should have known her age thing

My aunt mentors orphans from a local orphanage, the first time I saw this girl I wondered to myself why my aunt was mentoring a senior in HS. This girl was 5'10" lookes like Kiera Knightly with a C cup.

After spending some time with her I figured she was either an avergae, slightly niave 18yr old or a bright 16 yrold.

A couple of months later my aunt threw her a birthday party, her 14th birthday.

Now I had never asked her age, but if she had told me it was 18 I would have had no reason to disbelive her

julie said...

Renee,

I just want to show you how things have worked with female age of consent.

So there has been a momentous decision in the NSW Parliament:
to make the age of consent to sexual intercourse the same for gay and straight males as is already the case in other Australian States. And the sky has not fallen.

Those protesting against lowering the age for gay males have been concerned to protect boys from predatory men. Which takes us back to reflecting on the opposition around moves to raise the age of consent for girls where the emphasis was the opposite, to protect men from seduction by underage girls.

At the turn of the 20th century, the early feminists, emancipists
and the Women’s Christian Temperance Union were campaigning
for the franchise and for women’s rights which included raising the age of consent for girls. While the age at consent to marriage was 21 up until 1973, the age of consent to sexual intercourse has been a lot more controversial.

What many people may not know is that it was only in 1883, at the request of Sir Alfred Stephen, Arthur Renwick and William
Charles Windeyer, that the NSW parliament raised the age of
consent for girls from 12 to 14 years (Allen p.78). In 1885, the
Criminal Law Amendment Bill was passed in Great Britain raising
the age of consent for girls from 13 to 16.

In 1891, the matter was raised in the NSW Legislative Assembly with the introduction of the Vice Suppression Bill, which contained a clause to raise the age of consent for girls. A motion by Dr Richard Arthur in support of this clause was debated by the NSW Branch of the British Medical Association
at its 102nd general meeting in 1892 and defeated by ‘a large majority’ (NSW Branch).

Dr Arthur felt that girls of this age were too young for pregnancy
and that they needed protection not only from men but also from themselves, although he had noticed that girls ‘who appeared fully developed were the most stupid and least likely to be trusted’. He got little support.

One doctor thought that girls matured earlier in this sub-tropical climate, and juries should consider cases on their merit; one felt that it was unnecessary, no good would come of it, and it could increase the crime of murder.

Another one quoted a case where a man was in gaol for ‘having had connection’ with an under-age girl, even when the girl was ‘known throughout the district for being no good’, and asked how much more danger of similar cases would there be if the age of consent were raised from 14; while another thought it would increase the incidence of blackmail.


http://tinyurl.com/6kknad

I think what we all need to understand is that sex is practised by young people as is drugs and alcohol. The world has changed dramatically. And Humanism has been very big on sex which makes sense since they brag about the "Family Planning centres" they have created around the world. And sex education as well as sex statistics and abortions.

Very recently, all 13 year old females were given the opportunity in Canada and New Zealand for an injection that will protect them from vaginal cancer.

This has not been given lightly since these girls are underage. This has been very carefully calculated so as to lower the age of sex to 13. This will be for both male and female and homosexual.

I am also sure you are aware of vagina monologues which is coming to our screens very shortly.

"Always know", feminist and communist Kay Goodger says, "Nothing happens by accident".

http://tinyurl.com/579847

UK wants to lower age: 13 for boys, 14 for girls

http://tinyurl.com/6lpzyl

Scotland Children's commissioner asking for laws to be lowered to 13

http://tinyurl.com/5fn7qg

Anonymous said...

Julie wrote: "Always know", feminist and communist Kay Goodger says, "Nothing happens by accident".

I’ve never said any such thing, either in the early 1970s when I was a young socialist feminist, nor in the 35 years since I ceased political activity. It's a nonsensical statement!

For the information of your readers, Julie Whitehouse has been reposting inaccurate, defamatory and patently absurd allegations about me on the internet for the past three years. Not only does she continue to circulate a thoroughly discredited story, for which a major newspaper has published a full retraction and apology, she frequently adds further misinformation or conspiratorial innuendo. The so-called quote above is the latest example of how Julie just makes things up.

Kay Goodger