Sunday, September 21, 2008

Amen and Pass The Bullshit: Religion and The Obama Campaign

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Blacks against Obama made their displeasure known  on Friday during a speech by Barack at the University of Miami during a speech.  The signs read, “Obama endorsed by the KKK,” “Blacks Against Obama”, “Obama for abortions”, “Obama for gay marriage

They managed to disrupt the event for a short time before being escorted out by security.  As Americans it is their right to protest however the signs do not reveal the level of twisted ideology believed in by this group and their leader, Michael Warn. (Editors Note: The Video has been removed and replaced with this link because it plays uncontrollably on IE, and I will not have that filth be the sound effect of this blog)

The following is from his website:

WOMEN TOOK OVER IN AMERICA
When America gave women the right to vote. How? Because they out number men 40 to 1, women have the voting power in
numbers, the majority. There are two hundred and sixty million people in America. Black LILITH has a thirty million person
block vote.  Other nations of people consist of two hundred million people but they are separated. Ex. There are five million
Irish, seven million Germans, eight million Scots etc. They all vote against each other, then LILITH the evil woman takes her
thirty million block vote and join on to the women of other nations of the two hundred million voters under so called women
issues, out numbering men completely.  When she is grown 6+6+6=18. She takes the power of 666 in Rev. 13:18 being the
majority in America.  She takes her numbers and vote her men in who will do her will, and make the laws in her favor. Ex.
Deut.19: 15-20 says you must have two witnesses to bring charges against anybody but now look at America. One woman can
say you said something sexually negative to her eight years ago and destroy you. Rom 1:25 says who changed GODS TRUTH
into a LIE to worship the creature (LILITH) instead of GOD.  But fret not for Dan. 7:9 says, “I beheld till the thrones were cast
down (LILITH’s MEN that she put in power through her majority mob rule votes).”
Now that this BOOK OF TRUTH has revealed the DEVIL (LILITH), Rev. 12:12 says, “The DEVIL is coming down with great
wrath because she knows she has but a short time.” Rev. 12:10 says, “The DEVIL will accuse the brethren before GOD daily,”
Ex. Look at all of the TV TALK SHOWS THAT BASH MEN EVERYDAY. Prov, 7:24-27 says, many strong men have been
slain by her, for her house is HELL and DEATH. Rev. 12:1-4 says: The DRAGON (LILITH) STANDS READY TO SLAY US
(The BLACK MAN as soon as we are born Into Success). Notice the strong men that have been destroyed and tried to destroy.

 


Throughout the entirety of the video and the passages listed on their web site religion is used to justify their perverse views.  Women and specifically black women are are attacked as destroying society.  He goes on to attack homosexuals, and abortion. 

What this is, is a perversion of Christianity to promote a black patriarchy.  The issues of the world cannot be solved with hate and ignorance.  When we see groups like this, it is important to be aware of exactly what they stand for. They are not harmless, they reify the social imbalances and act as a virus to society.

Religion is an agent of socialization, and as such many perversions have been committed in its name? How many people must die, be defamed, raped and destroyed in the name of God?

It is certainly within their rights to protest but it is our responsibility to be aware of the underlying message that they are spreading.  This is no simple pro choice GOP political positioning, this is a fringe group displaying cult like behaviour meant to uplift a group on the backs of another.  Remember that the largest of hate groups started from the smallest amount of members.  The KKK was a small group of friends when it began, the Nazi party nothing but a collection of drunken friends and we are all aware of the influence these groups of have had on this world.  Religion can only disguise hate if we are intent to ignore the obvious evidence before our eyes.

H/T Pandagon



18 comments:

SjP said...

DAMN!

Roxie said...

It's so....how does one hate so much? Where do you get to this point? And people think Uncle Ruckus is just a cartoon character.

it's really dangerous.

Hilary said...

I was at that event at University of Miami. It was a great event. The protesters were a very small group, but very noisy. Obama was very gracious to them, and said they could say and speak their piece if they let him finish his speech.

The Link Back Project said...

The KKK has shrunk to almost nothing, but there have been spin-off's that have used different methods (Political - Stormfront Youth & Music - White Aryan Resistance/WAR) to advance "White Supremacy" And the Nazi Party was defeated in WWII. What is left is is no where's near what was the 1940's equivalent.

How expected of you to use "White" groups ONLY to characterize hate, when other groups exist that advance the same racist agenda...

MEChA/Aztlan: "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan"

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny."

"Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan."

Here, a racist agenda is cheered, and ignored when confronted. Again, we see "Whitey" "Gringo" "Gabacho" as the oppressor. Again, a small group that turned large.

Julian Bond, (Chairman of a hate group that advocates one race over another - NAACP)...

"[Bush] has selected nominees from the Taliban wing of American politics, appeased the wretched appetites of the extreme right wing, and chosen Cabinet officials whose devotion to the Confederacy is nearly canine in its uncritical affection."

And...

"The Republican Party would have the American flag and the swastika flying side by side,"

Are cheered as heroes? Another small group that turned large.

Jesse Jackson can refer to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown". And he is still cheered as a hero?

Al Sharpton...

"White folks were in caves while we were building empires. . . . We taught philosophy, astrology, and mathematics before Socrates and those Greek homos."

Yet another hero cheered...

Louis Farrakhan... I won't even copy and paste that anti-semite filth. Yet he leads the Nation of Islam on a hate spree, and is cheered a hero by another hero, Rev. Wright?

Even the Jewish Defense League stepped out of line when they twisted Will Smith's comments. Awfully hypocritical of them!

Half-truths, and slanted fact citing, do not a point make.

POC will NEVER fully know Whites, they are unable to walk a mile in their shoes.

Whites will NEVER fully know POC, they are unable to walk a mile in their shoes.

Men will NEVER fully know Women, they are unable to walk a mile in their shoes.

Women will NEVER fully know Men, they are unable to walk a mile in their shoes.

Racism & Sexism comes in all colors, as your article does a good job of pointing out! Bravo! Yes. Warn is an idiot. His exegesis of those scriptures cited is absolutely silly.

But you need to check yourself as well. I love this weblog, and your articles, but you need to get real about your "White Hate". Take a look at your archives, the slant is glaring like the sun! Or don't check, and be honest and say "F*** them crackers". At least ALL of us would then know where we stand.

So now you folks can tell me that I know nothing about POC, but you know everything about Whites. Or call me a racist because I confront racism on ALL fronts! (Notice I added 3 other races/haters in my comments, as well as point out the White racist fools in the beginning...) *rolls eyes*

Peace Out...

mzbitca said...

umm Link Back

Renee is posting about a a group is not white....so I don't understand where your privileged soak rage is coming from.....She just referenced the KKK and Nazi's as they are both very large and well known groups and it makes sense to make the comparison to them to reach the vast majority of people

lauren said...

I dont think the link back project derserves a cookie for the "everyones a racist" "no ones a racist" slant. Renee writes about issues that impact her. I believe she is a woman of color with a history and upbriging that shapes her opinions...So if she she has to put up with a power paradigm that has for hundreds of years , imposed a belief that "white" = better "black" = problems , and i am not talking about the color I choose to decorate my room with..I dont know I feel she has a right to talk and flush it out. Because when we are talking about creating change, we cannot ignore those nasty details...I feel you take her writing personal, because maybe you feel she is attacking you...maybe you have some collective guilt issues to work through. Its ok, we all have to work it out.... We cant change history, but we cant pretend it doesnt exist because we are a product of it...Any cultural anthropologist or sociologist will tell you, you cannot begin to understand others, if you dont understand your position and how you relate to the other, you are not really making the step to understanding someone else..And we all know how it all ends when people continue to project ideals culture soceity and change onto others without understanding where they come from.

lauren said...

I feel Renee through her writings, is making the step towards understanding. She is an active participant in promoting DIALOGUE. Something many are incapable of doing. She does not let things slip past, and she does not want to. She is not perfect(no on is), but she is an inspiration and a deep thinker for others who may not know what it is like to challange and question the paradigms that be.

The Link Back Project said...

@mzbitca... You didn't even bother to read my entire comment. That is evident by this remark you made here: "your privileged soak rage"...

Your IQ is showing sport, Ad Hominem race and or gender baiting does not a debate make. At least throw in some facts with that personal attack, it makes you look a little more valid in the eyes of thinkers.

@lauren... "I dont think the link back project derserves a cookie"

You are correct. I don't collect cookies, that is for the shallow and petty that elevate themselves above others. But here is your cookie. (when reading the rest of your comment.)

"Renee writes about issues that impact her."

And I am commenting on the issues that impact me. And your point is?

"I believe she is a woman of color with a history and upbriging that shapes her opinions..."

And I believe I am a White Male with a history and up bringing that shapes my opinions... And your point is?

"So if she she has to put up with a power paradigm that has for hundreds of years ,"

I have to put up with race cards, and white apologists, that have perverted justice and government for the last 2 decades.

And your point is?

"I feel she has a right to talk and flush it out."

And I don't?

"Because when we are talking about creating change, we cannot ignore those nasty details."

Like the details I put in my comments? Are you ignoring those details? Re-read my comments, I addressed Whites by name, Blacks by name, Jews by name, Chicano's by name. And your point is?

"I feel you take her writing personal,"

Like you are right now? Ask Renee about an email I sent to her today, we exchanged opinions, and I was kind and courteous to apologize if I had offended. I thanked her for her input, and agreed with her on a comment she made in the email, and explained in detail about something in my childhood that might have offended her. Hate attacks all of humanity, not just me and you and Renee. Did YOU actually read my comment?????

"maybe you have some collective guilt issues to work through."

Nope, I am not a white apologist. ALL HUMANITY is corrupt, EVERYONE hates. It is human nature, I am just as guilty as every other HUMAN on this planet. The only difference is I am one of those that is honest, real, and ADMITS it!

"Any cultural anthropologist or sociologist will tell you, you cannot begin to understand others, if you dont understand your position and how you relate to the other"

And your degree in Anthropology & Sociology is from which post secondary institution?

"you are not really making the step to understanding someone else.."

Really? Did you read my comment? Really? Did you? Have you even noticed other comments I have made here?

Quoting MJ yet again...

I'm starting with the man in the mirror, I'm asking him to change his ways... ...If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and make the change...

"And we all know how it all ends when people continue to project ideals culture soceity and change onto others without understanding where they come from."

I know where I come from. I am a victim of the history of the antebellum southern states of America. I am to blame, because people who were not even related to me owned slaves. Bottom line... Do the research, that tired old hate never dies in the USA...

"I feel Renee through her writings, is making the step towards understanding."

And I am not? My comments are not valid? They are not real to me? They hold no value because they dissent?

"She is an active participant in promoting DIALOGUE."

And what is it you think I am doing here? Because I point something out, and address it, I am not participating in the DIALOGUE???

Did you actually read ALL of my comment? Did you really?

"She does not let things slip past, and she does not want to."

Neither do I, hence my comment addressing other racist agendas, not just the black group hating on Obama, and the KKK & Nazi's

Did you see the reference to Aztlan? The JDL? WAR? Stormfront? Did you even read my comment fully?

"She is not perfect(no on is),"

And I claimed to be? I am the first to tell folks I am a wretched human being!

"a deep thinker"

Unlike the Ad Hominem race and or gender baiter that answered above you? I consider myself a "thinker", but do not tout it.

"what it is like to challange and question the paradigms that be."

All paradigms, or just the ones she addresses? There are others you know... There is a world outside of here...

sparkle said...

... did he just say white men and women are "too stupid to be the devil?" what? this makes zero sense.
renee, thank you for sharing this ... i'm beyond disgusted but it's imperative that we know that this group exists.

BOLDANDBEAUTIFUL said...

OMG

Renee said...

@sparkle...np groups like this need to be called out.

@LBP

Seriously, stop and think about what people are saying to you instead of immediately getting on the defensive. I have repeatedly told you that you do not understand the concept of privilege. Other commenters have told you the same thing and instead of listening and reflecting, you continually interject falsehood, and misrepresentations into a conversation. If I were told I did not understand a concept I would at least ask for a clarification before speaking in ignorance time after time.

I know where I come from. I am a victim of the history of the antebellum southern states of America. I am to blame, because people who were not even related to me owned slaves.

More proof of a failure to understand the concept of white privilege.

But you need to check yourself as well. I love this weblog, and your articles, but you need to get real about your "White Hate". Take a look at your archives, the slant is glaring like the sun! Or don't check, and be honest and say "F*** them crackers". At least ALL of us would then know where we stand.

Yeah a good deal of this blog is dedicated to deconstructing white privilege. This is not the only blog to do so. Whiteness is something that needs to be deconstructed and as Lauren said,"Any cultural anthropologist or sociologist" will tell you so. Challenging her credentials is a way of silencing her. Guess what, failed attempt. She is absolutely 100% correct. If you are in doubt educate yourself, start reading through sage journals.

ALL HUMANITY is corrupt, EVERYONE hates. It is human nature, I am just as guilty as every other HUMAN on this planet. The only difference is I am one of those that is honest, real, and ADMITS it!

Speak for yourself and do not project your biases onto others.

When I read your initial comment I saw an immediate shade of red. You're not engaging in conversation your are attempting to dominate it with denial, white privilege, male privilege and simple ignorance. Do you think your what about me whine is impressive? Let me tell you POC are tired of the what about me whine. Stop and listen and you might actually learn something. Guess what the subaltern can, and does speak.

sparkle said...

renee -- i posted about this on my blog, incredible juju. much more of a stream-of-consciousness reaction than anything else.
i can't understand for the life of me how this man was able to get folks to play along. it seems that this whole "movement" is based on what appears to be an assertion that oprah is the devil.
the website also smacks of the same abstract thinking apparent in schizophrenics.
i'm not calling him crazy.
i'm drawing parallels.
it's a real mess.

The Link Back Project said...

@Renee...

"instead of immediately getting on the defensive."

So you didn't read my comments in their entirety either huh? That's ok, you see defensiveness, I say it is exegesis, and expounding. Good enough, we disagree.

"I have repeatedly told you that you do not understand the concept of privilege."

So? I don't understand YOUR version of it, yes.

I understand the definition quite well, you just don't like the fact that I do. It bothers you to no end that someone is here that actually knows, understands, and exegetes intelligently on the concept.

"you continually interject falsehood, and misrepresentations into a conversation."

Sorry sport, my facts are all verifiable in today's comment, you can't ivory tower them away.

"If I were told I did not understand a concept I would at least ask for a clarification before speaking in ignorance time after time."

Ad Hominems? Ok, you opened the door...

I listen to your ignorance in many posts here, so? Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't, sometimes you are informed, sometimes it is all agenda. So? Whats the big deal, at least I admit that I don't know everything. And at least I read comments in their entirety, and quote the majority of the comment, not just take the bits and pieces that I hope will prove my point...

"More proof of a failure to understand the concept of white privilege."

I know it better than you ever claim you will. I am white, I know white, you know nothing of white, lets get that discussion out on the table now. It is this delusion that makes me debate you the most on this subject. You know everything about the white race, and whitey knows nothing of POC, how pious, how self-centered, how bloated of an ego does someone have to have to claim to be an expert in white, when they see black in the mirror. Or do you avoid the truth of the mirror?

I am White, I do not know Black because I am not Black. That is just simple logic. You are Black, you do not know White because you are not White. I am Male, I do not know Female, I am not Female. You are Female, you do not know Male, you are not Male. simple logic.

"Yeah a good deal of this blog is dedicated to deconstructing white privilege."

From a Black POV, yes. By your own admission, you do not have it, ergo you have no standing to read the very minds of those that do. You can guess all day, but without it, you have nothing concrete to go on but assumptions and supposition, nothing empirical. You have observations that can be tested and verified in an experimental manner, then whip it out, lets put your testable model to the test! If not, then they are nothing more than empty theory.

"This is not the only blog to do so."

Correct! I have ran into a lot of hate on the internet. Hate of all shapes, colors, genders... There is indeed many. :-)

"Whiteness is something that needs to be deconstructed"

With hate? Oh ya, that will work really well. Hate receives hate in kind. Hate on the White race, and the White race will hate right back. Ya know... Kinda like the Black Panthers...

It indeed needs to be deconstructed, but with logical evidence, fact, and a working relationship with the White race, not just the White apologists alone. White apologetics only breeds hate against POC. I know, I am White, I see it every day. Be sure that you cover all bases tho! Blackness, Browness, Yellowness, Pinkness, Purpleness... Or were you under the delusion that hate was only a "white thing"... The article these comments are being posted on proves that wrong!

"and as Lauren said,"Any cultural anthropologist or sociologist" will tell you so. Challenging her credentials is a way of silencing her. Guess what, failed attempt. She is absolutely 100% correct. If you are in doubt educate yourself, start reading through sage journals."

I have a BA, and an MA. (B.A - Major: Christian Studies. Minor: Music - Riverside Baptist College, Riverside California. M.A - Music Theory - San Diego State University, School of Music and Dance, San Diego California. Orals were ok, I was a bit nervous. Thesis was "Music in the ancient Judaic culture historically shaped current Christian theology." Quite the boring read actually... LOL)

Your not talking to some drunken southern redneck, that is preaching to the choir. I have been down the A&S road thank you. And the wide generalization that "ANY" A&S'er will tell you that, is wrong. Some maybe, most maybe, but not "any". Just the fact that the A&S'ers that posses a twisted white supremacist agenda, debunks the "ANY" statement.

They feel that there is no need to understand the other, because the other is flawed, and sub standard, and has corrupted and watered down their position. Their position lay in the historical point in time of the pre-degradation of their race. To relate to the position of others, is to remove one self from their position, thus causing the degradation itself.

Yes it is garbage, and not worth the ink and paper of their propaganda, but it does indeed crash the "Any" statement. Guess what! Failed attempt, start doing some reading of your own...

"Speak for yourself and do not project your biases onto others."

You mean like you do? Ok, we are BOTH guilty of that. A draw.

"When I read your initial comment I saw an immediate shade of red."

When I got to the end of your post, I saw an immediate pseudo-intellectual, leftist, race baiting, hatemongering agenda. But so what? I see it everyday, whats the big deal. I confront it with facts, not browbeat it with opinion.

I mean come on... Using stale old examples of POC hate like the Klan and the Nazi's is pathetic. You want to use historical POC hate groups, that are near dead, to compare with black on black, modern day racism??? What a poor attempt! Why not use modern day examples, to compare to your modern day incident with Obama's speech? White Aryan Resistance, White Pride Worldwide, Stormfront, White National Socialists, and 80 percent of the entire skinhead movement? Even though none of those are white on white, but it keeps the agenda a little more palatable when using modern examples with a modern opinion, of a modern day event.

"You're not engaging in conversation your are attempting to dominate it with denial, white privilege, male privilege and simple ignorance."

Ad Hominems, the door is still open it seems...

Like you? with denial, bitterness, hatred, and no first person knowledge of those you accuse? Come on, that statement alone shows YOUR ignorance. I stated facts in my comments, you just shared an opinion in yours.

That really burns you up when someone presents verifiable facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that POC hate against whites exists doesn't it? Just like Females NEVER hate on Males of course... Sorry, but it exists, you can't make it go away by a failing attempt to talk down to me.

"Do you think your what about me whine is impressive?"

Do you think your babbling white male hate is impressive? To the weak of mind maybe, but never those with knowledge, wisdom, and self esteem.

"Let me tell you POC are tired of the what about me whine."

And white people are tired of being the POC scapegoat for lack of what they describe as success. Self inflicted, imaginary failure, wears poorly, and it doesn't impress at fashion shows. Maybe if ALL HUMANS took personal responsibility for their destiny, we wouldn't be having this conversation?

"Stop and listen and you might actually learn something."

Come down from your Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Ivory Tower of White Male Expertise, and you might actually learn something.

"Guess what the subaltern can, and does speak."

Your subordination is self inflicted, spare the pity trip, I don't travel to those areas...

The real question is whether or not this post gets deleted with a message in its place that reads "This racist garbage will not be tolerated, and the user has been banned."

Can ya see the cheers and "Amen's" of the yesmen over that stunt? I can.

I did notice that you poorly avoided all of the facts I cited in my comments. What no weapons to fight against the truth?

Opening the Ad Hominem door sure does make for an interesting debate doesn't it?

nia said...

LinkBack says:
"I have to put up with race cards, and white apologists, that have perverted justice and government for the last 2 decades."

Can you give me a few examples please? Honestly, I'm not being argumentative - I would really love to know.

The Link Back Project said...

@Nia...

If you would like to research it on your own, then try Google. I personally prefer Yahoo, but Google is better once you sift through the tripe.

If you are not privy to history in the media the past 2 decades, then you have missed the most obvious.

As for personal examples...

San Diego, California. (I lived there, and watched it on the news, and in the papers. And the SD Union-Tribune is far left, so don't scream media bias.)

Mexican National x 4, drug trafficking, deported, no trials.

Mexican National, robbery, home invasion, deported, no trial.

Mexican National, assault & battery, sexual misconduct, deported, no trial.

Mexican National, Auto theft, possession of schedule 1 narcotics, deported, no trial.

Mexican National, intent to sell schedule 1 narcotics, battery, resisting arrest, deported, no trial.

Those are ones that come to mind right off hand that I shook my head over, I am sure the numbers far exceed my memory. And that is just California alone. Add Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, and I would imagine the numbers fly.

I could be silly, and name the obvious one everyone knows... OJ, Tyra, blah blah... But that will just raise the hate level for bringing up the truth.

@Renee, Let us just agree to disagree. That saves everyone the typing. As for me? I am just gonna fall in line and chant. That way you folks don't think ill of me, or the nerve of me to have a first amendment guaranteed POV. But since this blog has an owner, and is not public property, the rules of fair play do not apply.

Amen...

Renee said...

@LBP
No one has silenced you on this blog so your martyr commentary about free speech is a strawman. I did not start Womanist Musings for it to turn into an echo chamber which is why unless the commentary is completely assaultative I let it stay up.

What you don't like is the response to some of your comments. Well if you are going to disagree and make wild allegations, you are going to have to back them up. No one opened Pandoras box but you. Just as when I hit the publish button I become subject to the thoughts and ideas of others so do you when you choose to comment on a blog.

Though your commentary on privilege was definitely filled with ideas that I would spend a lifetime fighting, I let them stay up, so don't talk to me about playing fair. There are many feminist blogs that would have banned you long ago. There are not many that have the kind of loose comment policy that I do. Look around the blogosphere and you will find that to be a fact or question some of the regular commenters. You are not being silenced because people disagree with you. You are however being challenged because as I have stated on many occasions you refuse to recognize privilege and how it works.

Julian said...

@ LBP:

That really burns you up when someone presents verifiable facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that POC hate against whites exists doesn't it? Just like Females NEVER hate on Males of course... Sorry, but it exists, you can't make it go away by a failing attempt to talk down to me.

White man to white man, I write to you the following:

Oh master of "simple logic" (to carefully use your own words), I should like to have a word, or a few, with you.

Has it occurred to you that the issues tackled here, systematically, in Womanist Musings are not about hate as a liberal, individualistic concept only? That the issue, woven in and through Renee's writings, address, challenge, and confront a socio-economic-political reality where genocide (for example), in the US, where I live, happens against people of color and is perpetrated by whites, not ever the other way around? (Perhaps that's just too insignificant a fact for you?) Are you willing to grasp the reality that misogyny is manifest in governmental policy, religious teachings, social custom, as well as in interpersonal behavior? That the problem, so to speak, is not only bigotry, but also who institutionally holds power: which groups of people, and for how long? And that people in power can feel any number of ways for those we oppress? We can feel patronizing pity, arrogant condescension, an "adoration" such as that displayed in the film "Driving Miss Daisy" which apolitically pretends, as does the more recent film "Crash" (2004, winner of the Academy Award for Best Picture) that racism is a problem best solved interpersonally, and that it "goes both (or all) ways". White heterosexual male supremacy is the ideology of this land, not Black supremacy. Not lesbian and gay supremacy. Not female supremacy. And you obviously know very little, except for what the white supremacist media have told you, about The Black Panther Party, if you believe (as you words indicate) they weren't a humanitarian, if sexist, community-building organization helping the racially oppressed and socially disenfranchised.

Does the reality of oppression have any meaning for you? With our white and male privileges, we can actually believe "racism" and "sexism" are somehow separate from the institutionalized ideology of white male supremacy, or more ignorantly still, that there is no such thing as white male supremacy, systematically and systemically enforced, acted out disproportionately against the human bodies of people who are not male or white, often in ways that don't register as "violent" or "forceful" or "coercive" to us white men.

You can pretend you are just an individual, with an individual's point of view, but only if you ignore the political meaning of our gender and the political meaning of our skin tone, families of origin, and inheritance laws. When, for example, do you recommend that white property-owners and land-occupiers give back land we are on that our people, white men, stole from the Indigenous people of what is now called "The Americas"? Does it occur to you that the Mexicans you mention are on their own land HERE, and that we--you and I, brother, are the illegal aliens pretending this is our land? And that the government, ours, run historically and currently by white men predominantly, is the land that was built by African Americans, by immigrants, not, manually, by ruling class white men, with values and ethics that make "the white man" more human, more real, more definitionally (and thus in legal practice, in religious view, in social custom) synonymous with "a proper human being" than any other gendered or raced group of people?

Getting back to the myopic individualism of your world-view and values: what happens, for real, if women are furious with men? When men are furious with women, some of us become gang rapists, serial rapists, and batterers. (I mean by this term "batterer" not "a hitter", but rather someone who breaks the bones of another, leaving them in such a state that 911 must--or, well, ought to--be called, to get her--vastly and disproportionately a "her"--to the hospital.) What becomes of women's anger at men? An argument? A difficult relationship, perhaps? The woman has half a pack more cigarettes that day? If a primary care-giver, she is less patient with her kids? Could you name, precisely, the consequences of women's anger at men, compared to men's anger at women? Could you identify, historically, if you would, how white folks' anger at people of color is expressed institutionally, not just interpersonally, and how the anger of people of color, disproportionately misdirected at one another, btw, is expressed to white people institutionally, not just interpersonally?

Exactly what institutional power do women of color have, relative to white men? Could you name the institutions, please? One by one.

I'm a bit slow, so make it really clear for me, if you would.

lauren said...

I think Julian and Renee eloquently said all that I wanted to say in response. My apologies for offending the LBP, but in all honesty I like cookies...not the best example of meritocracy(currently a dysfunctional state of affairs)but hey, what are we going to do...The fact remains I felt the post was being attacked for its racial undertones and validity, and felt it was undeserved and stated why I felt that way...I appreciate the food for thought, and its really important to keep these dialogues going. Thanks again!