tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post2032720602327842234..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: No Niggers AllowedReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38292221969130583042008-11-13T23:32:00.000-05:002008-11-13T23:32:00.000-05:00The men went into a little restaurant to get a str...<I>The men went into a little restaurant to get a strawberry float in uniform and were denied service and told to go around back. When they refused to leave they were ordered out at gun point. They left but returned fully armed and demanded service.</I><BR/><BR/><B>And you feel that returning with guns was an appropriate response by these men? I for one would not want to patronize a place thatBernie Misiurahttp://bikerbernie.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-760086552447448592008-11-04T16:24:00.000-05:002008-11-04T16:24:00.000-05:00OMG! I hate anonymous comments! *grr*"Oh, let me j...OMG! I hate anonymous comments! *grr*<BR/><BR/>"Oh, let me just drop something in and then scamper away, appreciating how it differs from real life wherein I must take responsibility for what I say and do!"<BR/><BR/>Jeez. At least when I disagree, I leave my name. Then again, I have no trouble defending my opinions.Danyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-45829351018521944952008-11-04T16:16:00.000-05:002008-11-04T16:16:00.000-05:00"We no longer have this kind of obvious segregatio..."We no longer have this kind of obvious segregation in our everyday lives but it still exists to some degree. I found myself really relating to this scene as I recalled the times I have been shown cheaper items, or instructed on the stores layaway policy when asking about certain products. I have been in restaurants with white acquaintances where I have not been given a fork to eat with while Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-50946091151943474762008-10-14T17:11:00.000-04:002008-10-14T17:11:00.000-04:00I think my eye is bigger than my brain in the rega...I think my eye is bigger than my brain in the regards that over the last few days I've literally forgotten to come back and check this thread (I'm not trying to say Renee does speak that good stuff I'm just saying that my reading material-reading time ratio is out of whack). Looks like the dance is done.Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-9825005442910568652008-10-13T14:23:00.000-04:002008-10-13T14:23:00.000-04:00@Danyell...I will admit that position on this issu...@Danyell...I will admit that position on this issue is pretty fixed. I agree that we will probably not find any agreement on this issue. I would like to say thanks for engaging and I shall try and be more conscious of the language that I use as it is not my purpose to center anyone out or make personal attacks. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5743844273727222122008-10-13T14:00:00.000-04:002008-10-13T14:00:00.000-04:00Renee- I hate to use the term "agree to disagree" ...Renee- I hate to use the term "agree to disagree" but I think you and I will just continue around in circles. I do understand your point, I just find it to be a rigid generalization where there might be a lot of varying circumstances.Danyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-8592291805395893692008-10-13T13:48:00.000-04:002008-10-13T13:48:00.000-04:00@Danyell...I don't know you and who you may or may...@Danyell...I don't know you and who you may or may not socialize with and therefore you applies to anyone making the decision not to engage.<BR/><EM>I do agree that people should make the effort to cross certain lines that separate us. But not everyone who doesn't is consciously avoiding it. </EM><BR/>This I disagree with wholeheartedly. Every decision we make in this life is a conscious Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40978096963316938542008-10-13T12:57:00.000-04:002008-10-13T12:57:00.000-04:00I hope when you say "you" you are using it in a pl...I hope when you say "you" you are using it in a pluralized, general sense, and not specifically making accusations against me. I don't pick friends based on any thing else than personality. My entire point was that I don't think that people whose friend pool is all one ethnicity or sexuality or class are *necessarily* doing it on purpose. You can't assume that they are specifically avoiding beingDanyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-2177688458880279412008-10-13T12:45:00.000-04:002008-10-13T12:45:00.000-04:00@Danyell...sometimes the internet does warp the me...@Danyell...sometimes the internet does warp the message that tone would take care of in a conversation. I am a very direct person and say what I mean. I was not attempting to be sarcastic or condescending in anyway and I am sorry that it came across that way. I was actually just trying to be blunt.<BR/><BR/>A child is not responsible for where they live, but an adult has choice. What I am Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-74533424903032494022008-10-13T12:32:00.000-04:002008-10-13T12:32:00.000-04:00Renee, I still think you're making a lot of assump...Renee, I still think you're making a lot of assumptions. Based on what you're saying, White people, who grow up in White neighborhoods are being racist if they don't choose to move somewhere that there are more POC. Yes, perhaps your parents or grandparents moved there on purpose, but does that make everyone who stays there a racist? I understand what you mean that POC don't have the same Danyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-52377883985828572022008-10-12T18:35:00.000-04:002008-10-12T18:35:00.000-04:00Shorter Relax Max:"-pat pat on the head- Chill out...Shorter Relax Max:<BR/><BR/>"-pat pat on the head- Chill out, angry WoC! Don't be so -sensitive- about imagined slights by strangers in any number of situations (that probably played out exactly like mine, because I am the Standard Bearer); it's not all about you; be like me, calm, levelheaded, mature, rational--<BR/><BR/>WAHHHH!!! SOME RANDOM STRANGERS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S INTERNETS BLOG CALLED belledame222http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-15412766733489560962008-10-11T03:09:00.000-04:002008-10-11T03:09:00.000-04:00It is terrible that vulnerable people in Africa de...It is terrible that vulnerable people in Africa depend on the efforts of someone staggering under the weight of the white man's burden like RelaxMax for the basic necessities of living.Deluxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-42643614204571407352008-10-10T10:17:00.000-04:002008-10-10T10:17:00.000-04:00@ Relax Max"I keep busy trying to save children in...@ Relax Max<BR/><BR/>"I keep busy trying to save children in Africa, trying to see if a few might make it through another night. Most won't. Do you care? Do you even know who Robert Mugabe is? I suppose not. Do you even know what country Harare is in?"<BR/><BR/>How delightfully condescending of you. Many people engage in development work but unlike you, we don't use it to troll excellent blogs SDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09715935368260290306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-58284866549119625662008-10-10T04:07:00.000-04:002008-10-10T04:07:00.000-04:00Here via Questioning Transphobia - awesome post, R...Here via Questioning Transphobia - awesome post, Renee. One thing that only struck me very recently was how very, very white my circle of friends is, and when I was thinking about it I did get stuck in the loop of, "Oh, but that's just because my schoolfriends were almost all white, and my classmates at university are almost all white" and it took far too long for me to figure out why that was QoThttp://ideologicallyimpure.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-32602836675333201522008-10-10T00:22:00.000-04:002008-10-10T00:22:00.000-04:00I thought I wrote this last night:But was that ser...I thought I wrote this last night:<BR/><BR/>But was that seriously a "you don't have real problems because children are starving in Africa" argument? <EM>Seriously</EM><BR/><BR/>Problems don't become invalid because someone might have it worse somewhere else - that's one of the reasons that Audre Lorde said there's no hierarchy of oppressions.<BR/><BR/>And, seriously, it doesn't matter how much Lisa Harneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05701960869234061244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14996099787248901992008-10-09T14:48:00.000-04:002008-10-09T14:48:00.000-04:00And in response to your question, do you know who ...And in response to your question, do you know who Ian Smith is or what the World Bank is?niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14142930506490674435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-57693734705057938862008-10-09T14:41:00.000-04:002008-10-09T14:41:00.000-04:00The fact that a certain commenter on this thread w...The fact that a certain commenter on this thread would try to suggest that persons who choose to take part in discussions of this kind do not know where 'Harare is or who Robert Mugabe is' says more about that commenter's moral smugness than anything else. And again, by showcasing their "good deeds in Africa", are they expecting a cookie?<BR/>Trust me, the persons who are doing the most useful niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14142930506490674435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14443420078068159252008-10-09T14:13:00.000-04:002008-10-09T14:13:00.000-04:00Because trolls tend to think that their ground-bre...<I>Because trolls tend to think that their ground-breaking argument about why feminism is invalid because OMG CHILD CUSTODY, or about how this one time a POC got mad at them and that is totally reverse racism...</I><BR/>That ususally because some feminist has stated with 100% certainty that:<BR/>Since there are some abusive fathers it best to just assume that they all are and on the rare occasionDannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-69831673907869913322008-10-09T10:44:00.000-04:002008-10-09T10:44:00.000-04:00"Most of them are just sad attempts at predicting ..."Most of them are just sad attempts at predicting what someone is going to say"<BR/><BR/>Actually, most of them are <I>accurate</I> predictions of what trolls are going to say. Because trolls tend to think that their ground-breaking argument about why feminism is invalid because OMG CHILD CUSTODY, or about how this one time a POC got mad at them and that is totally reverse racism, are new and Stephanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-46259192173964917252008-10-09T08:02:00.000-04:002008-10-09T08:02:00.000-04:00I think that one reason people get labeled trolls ...I think that one reason people get labeled trolls way too quickly is because 1)the owner and regulars on the site can't stand that there are people that don't blindly agree with everything they say. 2)they don't like the fact that people may not agree with them even after presenting their case. 3)they want that extra pat on the back for calling someone a troll so they just call people trolls Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-1483928065932667472008-10-09T07:04:00.000-04:002008-10-09T07:04:00.000-04:00Regarding Relax Max and some others: there's a dif...Regarding Relax Max and some others: there's a difference between a) sincere expressions of dissenting opinion and b) saying the same things over and over again across various posts, and hijacking individual comment threads with multiple obstinate, obtuse comments and efforts at derailment. I agree that "a"-type commenters should be entirely welcome, but also that if "b"-types get too annoying, Macon Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-68308026683809508252008-10-09T02:56:00.000-04:002008-10-09T02:56:00.000-04:00Renee, I'm really grateful for your wiliness to be...Renee, I'm really grateful for your wiliness to be both boldly truthful but also so patient. I think you're doing a great service with the blog and certainly I've learned lots from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-57299953304463656032008-10-09T01:24:00.000-04:002008-10-09T01:24:00.000-04:00@Renee. An echo chamber of assent. Yes, that descr...@Renee. An echo chamber of assent. Yes, that describes it exactly. Thank you for putting a name to it. And a dissenting point of view can only be made by a troll. A troll is a dissenter, and thus a troublemaker by definition. And trolls' dissenting points of view? Troll-stink, of course. You have it all figured out; you don't need to hear dissent - it might make you re-examine your own prejudicesRelax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-67391821607052773202008-10-09T00:43:00.000-04:002008-10-09T00:43:00.000-04:00I am a person who has friends of various ethniciti...<I>I am a person who has friends of various ethnicities sexualities and genders specifically because I have actively sought to engage. I did not choose to surround myself with these people because of their identities but they became my friends because I entered their spaces to learn. When you expose yourself to outgroups you will find that there are commonalities. To use that as an excuse not to Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-68222552681742990622008-10-08T22:33:00.000-04:002008-10-08T22:33:00.000-04:00belledame222: Really bloody rude. Really? I don't ...<B>belledame222:</B> <I>Really bloody rude. </I><BR/><BR/>Really? I don't see it, but I guess I can avoid that sort of thing in the future.<BR/><BR/><I>Now, question for you: Is it more or less devastating for you if instead of saying "actually, that right there might be perceived as racist by some," I just say, "wow, AR, you come off like you were raised in a barn"? </I><BR/><BR/>Well, the firstARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.com