tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post2428682310849425367..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: If You Have Autism, You're Not WelcomeReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-9631683063782079282013-01-20T21:58:24.266-05:002013-01-20T21:58:24.266-05:00I&#39;m extremely pleased to find this website. I ...I&#39;m extremely pleased to find this website. I wanted to thank you for your time for this fantastic read!! I definitely loved every bit of it and i also have you bookmarked to look at new things on your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-4938000078729161302008-09-24T19:35:00.000-04:002008-09-24T19:35:00.000-04:00I am CF and a VHEMT supporter. On my reading of th...I am CF and a VHEMT supporter. On my reading of this issue, the problem is that it is a child, not that it is an *autistic* child. If the situations is explained that there is a momentary interruption because an autistic child is having sensory overload, I'll be understanding.<BR/><BR/>However, we've been conditioned by bad parents who tolerate this behavior from neurotypical children, or even ibsulonhttp://ibsulon.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-42328945760755090542008-07-11T18:13:00.000-04:002008-07-11T18:13:00.000-04:00But when her behavior is disruptive, the parents h...<EM>But when her behavior is disruptive, the parents have a responsibility to remove her from the situation. Not just for the sake of being respectful of everyone else around them but because obviously, the child herself is unhappy in that situation, and would be happier elsewhere.</EM><BR/><BR/>Yes, and I think that's the point that's getting lost here. I'm Aspie. If I saw an autistic kid Andee J.http://www.blogger.com/profile/07529062520941210692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-68765979046151233412008-07-11T16:36:00.000-04:002008-07-11T16:36:00.000-04:00I'm sorry, but I really have to disagree with this...I'm sorry, but I really have to disagree with this.<BR/><BR/>It's not the child's fault she's autistic, and of course she deserves some measure of integration with the larger world.<BR/><BR/>But when her behavior is disruptive, the parents have a responsibility to remove her from the situation. Not just for the sake of being respectful of everyone else around them but because obviously, the childAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-47184243044606147062008-07-10T01:30:00.000-04:002008-07-10T01:30:00.000-04:00On second thought, maybe you're all right and I'm ...On second thought, maybe you're all right and I'm completely wrong. Having been ejected could be yet another reason why I'm so messed up ...Yoohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08964658430856685576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-85688347350357526822008-07-10T01:23:00.000-04:002008-07-10T01:23:00.000-04:00To be perfectly clear, I am not considering Eowyn ...To be perfectly clear, I am <EM>not</EM> considering Eowyn to be any sort of truant or in any way to be at fault. (If I did, I would have said that they should have locked her up for a day. Obviously, I don't think this way.) And don't try to assume what I can or can't understand; you don't know if I have any mental issues or other disabilities that may or may not be comparable with autism.<BRYoohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08964658430856685576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-10016488924812025822008-07-10T00:13:00.000-04:002008-07-10T00:13:00.000-04:00The fredom of a society is best measured by how th...The fredom of a society is best measured by how the excentric and the different are treated. If you cannot tolerate a little disturbance you are not fit to participate in a free society.Larry Geaterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03997079186025264851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-31227361380933043852008-07-10T00:12:00.000-04:002008-07-10T00:12:00.000-04:00My response to this is rather complex, and shaped ...My response to this is rather complex, and shaped by both having a disability and my ablism.<BR/><BR/>I have Asperger's Syndrome, which is a condition on the autism spectrum. One feature of this, for me (and many others with Asperger's) is something called Sensory Integrative "Disorder", which in a restaurant situation, means that I *cannot* filter out noise. I won't be "disruptive" in that GallingGallahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08241627397789129041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-13763350765455623542008-07-09T21:29:00.000-04:002008-07-09T21:29:00.000-04:00@Yoo the solution to the problem is a very simple ...@Yoo the solution to the problem is a very simple one. If the person felt that their meal had been disrupted <STRONG>they</STRONG> should have left. <BR/><EM>I'd prefer if some sort of accommodation was made for people like Eowyn, perhaps private rooms or noise cancellers or whatever, just like visual aids or hearing aids are provided during public events instead of ear-splitting volume Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-12181229763797550892008-07-09T21:25:00.000-04:002008-07-09T21:25:00.000-04:00Yoo,I'm certainly not trying to pick on you; I hav...Yoo,<BR/><BR/>I'm certainly not trying to pick on you; I have a great deal of sympathy for the point you're trying to make. But here are some important questions to be considered when we're comparing competing claims to rights:<BR/><BR/>If the child is allowed to stay while the family works through the tantrum, who is harmed, and what is the nature of that harm?<BR/><BR/>If the child is Sandalstrapshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-88104390649616093832008-07-09T14:13:00.000-04:002008-07-09T14:13:00.000-04:00My point, regardless of whether there are "quiet" ...My point, regardless of whether there are "quiet" or "noisy" autistics (I'm just an ignoramus on autism in general), is that the restaurant was perfectly in their rights to remove a person causing a disturbance, no matter what the cause is, be it autism, PTSD, simple rudeness, ADHD, etc.<BR/><BR/>(In a rather contrived example, I wouldn't let some crazy person hold dozens of people at gunpoint inYoohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08964658430856685576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-41830754696136156802008-07-09T12:25:00.000-04:002008-07-09T12:25:00.000-04:00Yoo,I should probably let Sami speak to this, sinc...Yoo,<BR/><BR/>I should probably let Sami speak to this, since she's the expert (whereas I'm just the guy who lives with the expert and sometimes absorbs a little something when I have the sense to ask, "How was work today, dear?) but...<BR/><BR/><EM>quiet autistic people don't need special accommodations, of course, at least in terms of disturbances</EM><BR/><BR/>I hate to get bogged down in Sandalstrapshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-28450727313332888452008-07-09T11:34:00.000-04:002008-07-09T11:34:00.000-04:00I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand...I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, being autistic is no fault of the autistic person. On the other hand, other patrons of a private establishment are justified in expecting a mood fitting to the establishment. (As for this being a privilege, not a right, the same goes the other way; an autistic person visiting a private establishment is also a privilege, not a right.)<BR/><BR/>Yoohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08964658430856685576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40991109075434734722008-07-09T10:44:00.000-04:002008-07-09T10:44:00.000-04:00I wish that I could report that the comments got b...I wish that I could report that the comments got better as the day progressed but unfortunately the only got worse. It is clear a lot of work needs to be done with disability and privilege. Some people are just so into themselves that they don't see the larger picture.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5926461515031865332008-07-09T10:35:00.000-04:002008-07-09T10:35:00.000-04:00Wow. Those comments are disturbing. And don't peop...Wow. Those comments are disturbing. And don't people know what rights are? Having a quiet meal in public is a privilege, not a right. From some of the comments, you would think people are accommodating disabled people every day in a way that bothers them which I'm sure is not true.lyndorrhttp://lyndorr.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-56862366835776360022008-07-09T05:55:00.000-04:002008-07-09T05:55:00.000-04:00I deleted the last comment to fix a word missing.....<I>I deleted the last comment to fix a word missing... lol</I><BR/><BR/>Autism,<BR/><BR/>Where do I start? It is part of being a parent to put your <B>all</B> into raising your children.<BR/><BR/>But things have changed when it comes to being parents.<BR/><BR/>Only 30 years ago did families stop being lots of kids and just a couple. Now many have only one child.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, all those with juliehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16208188439777936253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-34605621831761284052008-07-09T05:42:00.000-04:002008-07-09T05:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.juliehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16208188439777936253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-84735190734588527592008-07-09T03:52:00.000-04:002008-07-09T03:52:00.000-04:00As parent to an autistic 8 year old - thank you.As parent to an autistic 8 year old - <A HREF="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=921" REL="nofollow">thank you</A>.Kevhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08820903207549246978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-63259792838375980262008-07-09T00:26:00.000-04:002008-07-09T00:26:00.000-04:00My six-year old daughter with autism could have be...My six-year old daughter with autism could have been the child asked to leave. This is a disability, not a choice for her. Do we really want a world where everybody is the same?<BR/><BR/>What if someone is offended by a person's race, perfume, whether they are a gay couple, or if they are over-weight? Do they think they have a right to live in such a sterile world that is padded and protected C-SNAPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15917532523811996697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-1060170251344442702008-07-08T21:57:00.000-04:002008-07-08T21:57:00.000-04:00Hi, my name is Sami and my husband (sandalstraps/C...Hi, my name is Sami and my husband (sandalstraps/Chris) made an earlier comment on this blog. I work as a behaviorist for young children with autism and have worked in the field of behavior analysis with children and families for the last 8 years. <BR/><BR/>Chris sent me a link to the post due to my involvement with the children I work with. I am very disturbed, to say the least, by the responsesSamihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434293912509067888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40570334397818096112008-07-08T21:03:00.000-04:002008-07-08T21:03:00.000-04:00Thanks SO much for this post. My own opinion is th...Thanks SO much for this post. My own opinion is that privileged people are used to having their wants and needs put before ANYONE else's and they get right pissed off it is suggested that the rest of us need not cater to their every whim, everywhere, all the time. Thus the squealing and whining, "What about ME!"hysperiahttp://alterwords.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-11844063761810044332008-07-08T19:59:00.000-04:002008-07-08T19:59:00.000-04:00At some point we need to come to the understanding...<I>At some point we need to come to the understanding that all people matter, and everyone deserves the right take up space.</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed. Good post.Williamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04295245301322580266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-69948902913964959462008-07-08T19:36:00.000-04:002008-07-08T19:36:00.000-04:00My wife is a behaviorist who works with autistic c...My wife is a behaviorist who works with autistic children. She tells me this sort of thing happens <EM>all the time</EM>! <BR/><BR/>Autism is a very misunderstood central nervous system disorder that does often manifest itself in what my wife calls "behaviors" (tantrums, outbursts, etc.)<BR/><BR/>Because people don't understand what is happening, they get nervous, and behave in irrational, Sandalstrapshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.com