tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post3478039776684498224..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Michael Savage: Gays Are Ruining The WorldReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-74592699514218378492008-11-17T17:48:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:48:00.000-05:00Hey I work in an office with a guy who lionizes Sa...Hey I work in an office with a guy who lionizes Savage and listening to him gives him license to be perpetually outraged EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HIS LIFE.<BR/><BR/>But lets get real here, who is funding this guy? Last time I looked all his advertisers had deserted him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-89441909890497119802008-10-18T01:45:00.000-04:002008-10-18T01:45:00.000-04:00On the right to free speech, the basic age old que...On the right to free speech, the basic age old question: Do you have the right to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater?<BR/><BR/>If not, why not? Isn't it your right to say whatever you want?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-8479107648617585852008-10-07T01:34:00.000-04:002008-10-07T01:34:00.000-04:00GallingGalla,"No-one, including you, Charles, can ...GallingGalla,<BR/><BR/>"No-one, including you, Charles, can tell me that Obsession did not have an influence on the terrorists who attacked the Muslims."<BR/><BR/>That's true; also, no one can tell you that it did, until and unless the perpetrators are found and questioned (and possibly not even then). That's what skepticism is -- withholding judgment in the absence of evidence.<BR/><BR/>"Maybe Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-24025370276300252952008-10-06T22:31:00.000-04:002008-10-06T22:31:00.000-04:00I am really on the fence about this, with respect ...I am really on the fence about this, with respect to the views of Renee and Charles.<BR/><BR/>No-one, including you, Charles, can tell me that Obsession did not have an influence on the terrorists who attacked the Muslims. Maybe it is not possible to make a link between *one particular* instance of hate speech and *one particular* act of hate. But there is no way that you can convince me that GallingGallahttp://null.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-73308134976796374932008-10-06T22:10:00.000-04:002008-10-06T22:10:00.000-04:00Anonymous,Your question is perfect due to the simi...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Your question is perfect due to the similarity of circumstances. In short, yes, unless I had evidence, I wouldn't make such an assumption -- because, similarly to Muslims, Jews and Jewish institutions are sometimes targeted without immediately preceding public speech in the form of such a movie. Thus it's irresponsible of me to assume one way or the other. (Did I mention I'm aCharlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-91812480859549844622008-10-06T18:41:00.000-04:002008-10-06T18:41:00.000-04:00Along with free speech comes great responsibility....Along with free speech comes great responsibility. We don't live in isolation from one another, and while I am a 100-percenter when it comes to speech, it is disingenuous to claim that speech does not have real-life consequences. (I am not implying anyone here has done that; just something I like to point out to people who dismiss the rantings of someone like Mr. Savage by saying he has the rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-79814903650883002222008-10-06T18:21:00.000-04:002008-10-06T18:21:00.000-04:00I agree with Charles. Remember that once any discu...I agree with Charles. Remember that once any discussions enters the political realm, it stops being a question of what people should do and becomes a question of what people should be forced to do by threat of violence, because a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence is what defines the state and gives it authority. This fact, indeed, makes me wonder how you can favor state action of any ARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-53927501520116700012008-10-06T15:15:00.000-04:002008-10-06T15:15:00.000-04:00Renee,"I am sure that you can advocate non interve...Renee,<BR/><BR/>"I am sure that you can advocate non intervention because you are not the target of such hate speech." <BR/><BR/>Really? That's a pretty big -- and misinformed -- assumption. The last time the KKK held a rally in my home town (4 or 5 years ago, I think), I seem to remember them chanting some fairly hateful slogans about us Jews. <BR/><BR/>I also remember the anti-rally flyers Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14817557706896920302008-10-06T14:40:00.000-04:002008-10-06T14:40:00.000-04:00@Charles...I am sure that you can advocate non int...@Charles...I am sure that you can advocate non intervention because you are not the target of such hate speech. Government has a duty to protect its citizens. Hate speech causes harm even when it is not physically manifested as violence. Have you ever seen the <A HREF="http://www.womanist-musings.com/2008/05/doll-test-white-good-and-black-bad.html" REL="nofollow">doll test? </A> Young black Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-21860042998260570392008-10-06T14:00:00.000-04:002008-10-06T14:00:00.000-04:00The reason guys like Michael Savage have a platfor...The reason guys like Michael Savage have a platform is because there's an audience. The reason there's an audience is because we live in a society that hates people who don't conform to the White/male/heterosexual/Christian ideal. The reason there's an audience of people who believe in those norms is because the vast majority of people don't learn about different people and ways of relating to FEMily!http://www.blogger.com/profile/09038209129658625144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-51942388456901468122008-10-06T13:02:00.000-04:002008-10-06T13:02:00.000-04:00Renee,"I am saying that man should not be given a ...Renee,<BR/><BR/>"I am saying that man should not be given a platform from which to spew his hatred."<BR/><BR/>Okay, so what's the right way to stop it, in your opinion?<BR/><BR/>"It is further problematic that companies are profiting off of the perpetuation of hatred."<BR/><BR/>I agree that this is problematic. But not everything problematic demands the intervention of state power, which itself Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-89407977876400190672008-10-06T12:49:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:49:00.000-04:00I am saying that man should not be given a platfor...I am saying that man should not be given a platform from which to spew his hatred. It is one thing for him to stand on a corner and scream at the top of his lungs that he hates homosexuals but another to be granted the ability to mass distribute such hatred through the airwaves. The very reach of his message is just as problematic as his message.<BR/><BR/>It is further problematic that companiesReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-85075931667696651762008-10-06T12:37:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:37:00.000-04:00Daisy,I took her classification of his comments as...Daisy,<BR/><BR/>I took her classification of his comments as hate speech, along with this secion -- <BR/><BR/>"It is time to cleanse ourselves of this kind of speech. The perpetuation of hatred and othering is a malignant tumour. Michael's right for expression should not outweigh the greater good." <BR/><BR/>-- to mean that his speech ought to be banned.<BR/><BR/>I don't disagree that he shouldCharlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-80830618870518486992008-10-06T12:31:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:31:00.000-04:00Charles, after reading your screed, I re-read Rene...Charles, after reading your screed, I re-read Renee's post... are you talking about HER COMMENTS? Because you seem to be reading various unsaid things into what she has written. Did she saying anything about forcibly BANNING anything? That isn't how free speech works in our current economic system...I think she means the same thing I do: <B><I>FIRE</I> MICHAEL SAVAGE'S HOMOPHOBIC, RACIST, Daisyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17993200276152025235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-20061737735068241882008-10-06T12:30:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:30:00.000-04:00"Why people are allowed to publicly broadcast hate..."Why people are allowed to publicly broadcast hate under the guise of free speech is something I will never wrap my brain around."<BR/><BR/>It may have something to do with the fact that calling slaveholders pigs was once construed as broadcasting hate under the guise of free speech.<BR/><BR/>Historical hindsight is 20/20. Sometimes it just burns to allow people like this to keep talking. So? LetCharlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-51855741369245394792008-10-06T12:19:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:19:00.000-04:00I still can't believe he even has a job after THIS...I still can't believe he even <I>has a job</I> after <A HREF="http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2008/07/michael-savage-swine-of-month.html" REL="nofollow">THIS INCIDENT!</A> (about the autistic children) He's a pig!<BR/><BR/>obbop, <I>full of hate?</I> Renee is merely describing a PIG when she sees one. Why are you so deluded that you can't see a pig when one is right in front of you? I guessDaisyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17993200276152025235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-17613356856292772382008-10-06T12:14:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:14:00.000-04:00People who want to spew bile and hatred like that ...People who want to spew bile and hatred like that always cloak themselves in their right to free speech. It's disgusting to do so, to hide behind rights in order to infringe on the rights of others. You are right, he may not come right out and advocate violence, but he is offering an opinion to develop the mindset that will cause such things.<BR/><BR/>Why people are allowed to publicly Ouyang Danhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02282893846892373915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-32115133166853819172008-10-06T12:12:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:12:00.000-04:00"So highly do we value free speech that we have co..."So highly do we value free speech that we have confused freedom of expression with the promotion of hate."<BR/><BR/>No -- so highly do we value free speech that we've accepted the risk of allowing some promotion of hate, rather than shut socially questionable but legitimate speech out of the public discourse. <BR/><BR/>People on the far right would probably be horrified with many of the ideas Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-58091265147855206152008-10-06T12:00:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:00:00.000-04:00Why are you so full of HATE, womanist-musings?Acce...Why are you so full of HATE, womanist-musings?<BR/><BR/>Accept or deny Savage's opinions but to merely toss obvious knee-jerk rhetoric at him of the same style as the majority of indoctrinated/brainwashed politically correct buffoons does little other than preach to the PC choir.obbophttp://obbop.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-70282763032506928902008-10-06T11:32:00.000-04:002008-10-06T11:32:00.000-04:00It's Michael Savage we're talking about. He's gone...It's Michael Savage we're talking about. He's gone insane way beyond normalcy, so he's in the same league with Ann Coulter, whom nobody takes seriously anymore.Deaf Brown Trash Punkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14679639206346030919noreply@blogger.com