tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post3756450282340673363..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Gender or Race? You Simply Must Choose.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-89158382914668732432008-09-29T15:09:00.000-04:002008-09-29T15:09:00.000-04:00...thus there are many problems they don't underst...<I>...thus there are many problems they don't understand because they've never experienced it.</I><BR/>That's a big one. A lot of people have a tendency to think that some people whose issues don't match their own don't matter. I know I wouldn't be happy if someone told me that my issues don't matter or that they need to be put on the back burner until theirs are taken care of first (that wouldDannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-76241073709983639082008-09-29T14:09:00.000-04:002008-09-29T14:09:00.000-04:00I too, get frustrated when some feminists feel it&...I too, get frustrated when some feminists feel it&#39;s ok to make enthocentric, racist statements, so long as it is in their minds, against the patriarchy. Still so many White women assume that the word &quot;woman&quot; refers to only them (I always hear people refer to &quot;women&quot; and &quot;people of color&quot;, as if nary the two shall meet). But this is an issue that has existed sinceDanyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-91898913126538720892008-09-26T14:50:00.000-04:002008-09-26T14:50:00.000-04:00That incident is, to me, one of the most obvious e...<I>That incident is, to me, one of the most obvious examples of why acknowledging intersectionality is so important. </I><BR/><BR/>Intersectionality is important but the problem that bogs down most people is that they get hellbent on trying to prove that someone else's issues don't matter as much as their own. I can't think of any combination of race or gender (and things get even more Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-46091328758548345812008-09-26T14:22:00.000-04:002008-09-26T14:22:00.000-04:00@ Nia"But what do you do when the men you love and...@ Nia<BR/>"But what do you do when the men you love and who you are close to display sexist behaviour towards you as an individual? <BR/>"<BR/><BR/>Like Renee mentioned call them out on their behaviour, it will work. Pull them aside and just have a conversation with them about how they speak towards black women, etc or how treat black . Ask them how do they benefit from disrespecting their own Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-69178958003019697852008-09-26T13:48:00.000-04:002008-09-26T13:48:00.000-04:00"why is there no universal call for white women to..."why is there no universal call for white women to abandon white men? Why is it only WOC that must deny those we love? White men constitute the most privileged group ever to walk the planet and yet it is okay for white women to marry, mix, and inter-mingle with them without being accused of betraying feminism. "<BR/><BR/>Renee thank you so much for stating this point that I forgot to bring up. InEbony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-81645479317939629202008-09-26T13:26:00.000-04:002008-09-26T13:26:00.000-04:00When I enter into a hostile situation, it is not a...<I>When I enter into a hostile situation, it is not always clear whether or not I am dealing with racism or sexism, sometimes it is a combination of the two.</I><BR/><BR/>So well said, Renee. I think Imus' infamous assault on the Rutgers' women's basketball team is the perfect example of this concept. How can you possibly extricate the racism from the sexism and/or the sexism from the racism Melissa McEwanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04784594504716679607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-36565478010952244932008-09-26T13:02:00.000-04:002008-09-26T13:02:00.000-04:00I don't understand how such a choice could be made...I don't understand how such a choice could be made, just as I don't understand how I should choose between class and gender, or orientation and environment. Those are intrinsic to my identity, as much as race and sex. And advising other people's choices, especially when you're not involved in those groups, is a fuck-wit thing to do.Anitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-6733950912544307122008-09-26T12:08:00.000-04:002008-09-26T12:08:00.000-04:00@Nia I call out the patriarchy just as much as I c...@Nia I call out the patriarchy just as much as I call out the feminists who demand that I chose. No one should be allowed to other a WOC because they believe it improves their position. I will always support black men but I will not allow them to use my love of them to diminish my personhood.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-36389762525040972652008-09-26T12:04:00.000-04:002008-09-26T12:04:00.000-04:00I definitely agree. But what do you do when the me...I definitely agree. But what do you do when the men you love and who you are close to display sexist behaviour towards you as an individual?niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14142930506490674435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-7569607132740498532008-09-26T11:45:00.000-04:002008-09-26T11:45:00.000-04:00@Maritza and Ebony...the other thing that I notice...@Maritza and Ebony...the other thing that I noticed is why is there no universal call for white women to abandon white men? Why is it only WOC that must deny those we love? White men constitute the most privileged group ever to walk the planet and yet it is okay for white women to marry, mix, and inter-mingle with them without being accused of betraying feminism.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-52190627605074438172008-09-26T11:43:00.000-04:002008-09-26T11:43:00.000-04:00what a beautifully written essay. I struggle with ...what a beautifully written essay. I struggle with my gender vs race, too and it just... frustrates me to hell. I often feel like my white female friends just DON'T GET IT. <BR/><BR/>I am glad to know that I am not alone in feeling this way.Deaf Brown Trash Punkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14679639206346030919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-83658048478730083632008-09-26T11:21:00.000-04:002008-09-26T11:21:00.000-04:00My opinion is that people should not be tagged wit...My opinion is that people should not be tagged with any labels (including gender and skin color). After all, we are all one...sunflower19020http://www.squidoo.com/money-magnetismnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-23785725166018223922008-09-26T11:12:00.000-04:002008-09-26T11:12:00.000-04:00Great post! Are we supposed to just cut men out of...Great post! Are we supposed to just cut men out of our lives to satisfy someone else's view of what feminism should be? One of the main problems I've had with feminism over the years is the tendency for so many women to define what feminism should be and how we should live out our feminist beliefs. Can't we agree that any subject that fundamentally affects our lives as women is a topic for Maritziahttp://maritzia.consecrated-life.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38902280780461608782008-09-26T09:37:00.000-04:002008-09-26T09:37:00.000-04:00@frau..I read your post yesterday and left comment...@frau..I read your post yesterday and left commentary but I will repeat it here. No one should ever be asked to choose because it causes a splinter in the identity. It is enough to ask people to reflect on different parts of ones person without forcing one to preference one over the other.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-63411410812676002712008-09-26T09:29:00.000-04:002008-09-26T09:29:00.000-04:00As you know, this is something I've been thinking ...As you know, this is something I've been thinking about too. I think a distinction needs to be made, though, between the average joe schmoe asking you to choose, and the context I talk about <A HREF="http://chicksrockblog.com/2008/09/woman-first.html" REL="nofollow">in my own post</A>. <BR/><BR/>In the picture you paint, it's really about them trying to force you to choose by discounting one sidefrau sally benzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01054413520223145494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-74835839960334871252008-09-26T09:03:00.000-04:002008-09-26T09:03:00.000-04:00Great post.I deal with this on a daily basis and I...Great post.<BR/><BR/>I deal with this on a daily basis and I see this on a daily basis. I'm always being told to not seek out a partner from my on racial grouping because they are consider sexist but yet I see non black women seek out partners from my own racial grouping and no one says anything to them , i'm told not to be friends with men from my own raical grouping but i see women/men of otherEbony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.com