tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post6364554858070992095..comments2008-11-19T23:30:26.920-05:00Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-52928603417194992732008-11-19T23:30:26.920-05:002008-11-19T23:30:26.920-05:00BTW, we all make mistakes, it's part of being human. Great post.Vera H.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09214588476071513727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-58865212871866350162008-11-19T23:27:43.121-05:002008-11-19T23:27:43.121-05:00Love you so much - this makes me love you more.harrietsdaughterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13965259928416432832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-88061458084141679862008-11-19T17:18:14.217-05:002008-11-19T17:18:14.217-05:00Renee, we are all learning, that's why we are here, I feel. Don't be so hard on yourself and allow yourself the space for growth. <BR/><BR/>I don't like nor do I read Feministe. I wrote them an email about why I don't like their blog and they never wrote me back. Why would they not want to engage in a healthy dialogue about the critiques of their blog?Ojibway Migisi Bineshiihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14328347379621837240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-35836320907263587892008-11-19T14:13:10.460-05:002008-11-19T14:13:10.460-05:00I just need to say, I'm glad you post at Feministe -- I followed you here from there. I am feminist and white, and I admire your clarity and honesty about issues of gender and race. You've helped me better understand and own my white privilege.LauraJMixonhttp://www.digitalnoir.com/lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-36197701011084768122008-11-19T12:02:32.153-05:002008-11-19T12:02:32.153-05:00Renee, I lurk and drop in from time to time to nod my head in agreement and share a comment or two. I think I've read two corrections/apologies and have to say that your honesty and humility is truly inspiring. (Hugs) Please continue with the fight.T.Allen-Mercadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07288157852760931385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-31018423856822248572008-11-19T10:52:12.843-05:002008-11-19T10:52:12.843-05:00@jennifer: have you given Hoyden a read? Very nice people in general, though I'm biased on that subject.. first post I read there was tigtog calling mAndrea on her transphobia.polerinhttp://eclexia.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-3907926126061345452008-11-19T09:50:45.841-05:002008-11-19T09:50:45.841-05:00Drat. Feministe is the only feminist blog I can stand, and now this.Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15818170170158156072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-28594689269182774302008-11-19T09:35:13.837-05:002008-11-19T09:35:13.837-05:00Mmmph. Both what you said and your examination of it are problematic, though not deeply so in my opinion. Let me explain what I see in it, and get that out of the way, and look at why I'm not so sure it's a big deal. First of all, there are a number of gays and lesbians (as well as bi and straight) people who would be labeled as gay based on their appearance or other presentation factors. Even though others may not *know* if that person is really gay or not, but the reaction is the same regardless of the "truth." The comment is also exclusive of them.<BR/><BR/>Your reaction to it actually bugs me more on a personal level. Not all transpeople get read as trans walking down the street. I have no way of figuring out percentages, because we just sorta merge in, unless we are completely out. There are many who don't have that choice, and it can make their life difficult, but many do.<BR/><BR/>All that being said... I think it's understandable that even people who are doing their best to be inclusive and coalition building have moments where their life experiences come into play. The discriminatory experiences that I have being trans are not the discrimination you have faced for being a WoC. People are keyed to react from what we know and have experienced in the past to help us make quicker decisions in the present. <BR/><BR/>Personally, when I get angry or stressed, the weight of things that have happened to me in the past seems to increase. When I talk about them, the difficulty and hurt in the memories can eclipse the rest of the world and become difficult to look around and see what's going on for everyone else. It's not good for coalition building, but it's real, and its difficult. <BR/><BR/>The fact that you made a mistake means you are human. What I value more is the fact you recognize it, and have stepped back to own it and examine it. I know I make mistakes, and I'm pretty sure I don't recognize all of them. The fact that you have is what I find important. Keep on doin', and thank you for remembering us, it's more than some GLB advocates manage.polerinhttp://eclexia.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14291743041890247952008-11-19T08:16:25.056-05:002008-11-19T08:16:25.056-05:00I read your post at Feministe plus all the comments, and I must admit, the fallout from the passage of Prop 8 fascinates me. Despite the ugliness of some of the things that have happened, it's good these issues are "out of the closet" and people are talking. <BR/><BR/>While there always will be racists and homophobes in every group of humans, I'm hopeful that progressive people of all races, genders, and orientations will take what happened with Prop 8 as a lesson, look themselves in the mirror, dust off, and take up the "good fight" again.Vera H.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09214588476071513727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-35504841220760334802008-11-19T06:01:41.462-05:002008-11-19T06:01:41.462-05:00The important thing to remember is no one is perfect. You're a good person, Renee. Just being aware of your mistake and trying not to make it again does influence the world in a good way. Talking about it in your blog is even better. You may feel disappointed in yourself, but you will rise above this and be a better person for it. :)dollyspeakshttp://dollyspeaks.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-57659016893601471722008-11-19T05:15:12.575-05:002008-11-19T05:15:12.575-05:00*hug*<BR/><BR/>Everyone does it at some point, we're simply not perfect, especially when we're seeing red. <BR/><BR/>Mistakes are how we learn.whatsernamehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15731411057968563416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-13048699814238215602008-11-19T04:29:27.743-05:002008-11-19T04:29:27.743-05:00As always, Renée, you show how things should be done. It's completely normal to say things in anger which aren't as reasoned as when one is in a calmer mood and all I can say is thank you for your understanding and your ever present honesty.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Naomi: You're doing a great job!Emily Swww.chezemily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-80828021556566661412008-11-19T03:55:12.135-05:002008-11-19T03:55:12.135-05:00It takes courage to admit when we're wrong and start again. And each day is a new day when we try to right the wrongs of others and most importantly, ourselves. I think you're doing a great job.Naomihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10070720993557664646noreply@blogger.com