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Several studies have shown that most child abuse a...

2008-11-24T22:14:20.348-05:00

Several studies have shown that most child abuse and child murders are perpetrated by mothers. Following this line of reasoning, shouldn't we have bus advertisements depicting girls saying, "When I grow up, I'm going to drown my children"?

It seems that one thing feminists can't understand...

2008-11-16T19:45:58.003-05:00

It seems that one thing feminists can't understand is hateful stereotypes of the male gender. These ads are so submerged in the Duluth model, the model that believes all violence is male in origin, that I'm surprised DART even considered showing them. Now, make an ad with a girl that says "One day I will kill my husband" and see how well that goes over. You feminists are so self-absorbed, you can't even realize why us men have a right to be offended by the propagation of a false stereotype against our gender. I would have thought decades of fighting so-called "opression" would give you a little sympathy, but I guess you are the ones who are full of it!

Dads' equality in law is the human rights question...

2008-11-15T11:19:05.273-05:00

Dads' equality in law is the human rights question of now and the future, COME ON all you black women , you know what it is like to be discriminated against when you have done nothing wrong, that is how we feel. The law and the government is just AGAINST US , just because we are male and have a penis ! We face terrible injustice, and most men are unaware of the fact until they experience it in court for themselves. So I just cannot understand why you black women cannot understand our position

I don't believe this campaign did any good for the...

2008-11-12T07:49:51.197-05:00

I don't believe this campaign did any good for the cause of abuse in reality it provoked more hatred towards fathers and at the same time this is giving more incentive for Glenn sacks to appear on talk shows and tell the listeners that women are also perpetrators of domestic violence (statistics shows this reality). What if there was an ad with the same girl that said
"Someday my mother will kill me" This would not be tolerated even if the posters had other good meanings if we perceive this to be against fathers how do you convince them otherwise?
what proof do we have this is not just some more
radical-feminist propaganda?
There are many ways to educate about abuse but not by hatred. big waste of money
MM

Troll = Someone who has a different opinion than m...

2008-11-07T08:40:20.795-05:00

Troll = Someone who has a different opinion than me.

Visitor = Someone who has the same opinion as me.

I get it. Glad to see the Internet age has ushered in a new, improved era of critical insight.

Gosh Renee, I think you really need to enlarge the...

2008-11-06T12:13:52.986-05:00

Gosh Renee, I think you really need to enlarge the sub-heading under your blog name Womanist Musings a bit. Obviously many of the troll commenters on this thread are missing the fine print.

Good points, Nick and Lance. Let's not also forget...

2008-11-06T09:47:34.132-05:00

Good points, Nick and Lance. Let's not also forget the radical subjectivity that gender feminism and liberal academia have foisted on us under the guise of 'education.' Reason and logic don't matter anymore; only our 'feelings' matter.

'One Nation Under Therapy,' as Christina Hoff Sommers said.

Lance, good post. The word "chauvinist" gets throw...

2008-11-06T09:03:25.050-05:00

Lance, good post. The word "chauvinist" gets thrown around as easy as "misogynist" when a man has pro male views on gender issues. But a woman having pro woman views is hardly or never deemed as a chauvinist.

Don't you think its chauvinism within its self when you believe your gender has the right to express or do some thing but the other gender is not valued enough to do the same? As simplified this may sound, 99 percent of feminist I have came across seem exactly like this when it comes to discussion on gender issues. Not agreeing with opposing views is one thing but being intolerant in the ways of thinking a man should be ostracized for it is another thing.

Todays feminism is not for equality, its for anti male bigotry.

me: "In many ways, feminism is a dinosaur..." Rene...

2008-11-05T23:05:55.018-05:00

me: "In many ways, feminism is a dinosaur..."

Renee: "Yeah spoken by a man that clearly knows nothing about feminism. "

Perhaps...and perhaps your defense of the mainstream feminist movement shows shows how little you know of the mainstream feminist movement or how little you understand of egalitarianism. I hope you take a better look and you come out a better person for it. Lord knows I did...Like you, I used to be one of those man-hating feminists. After doing some soul searching and after exploring female privilege and male disposability, I realized I was wrong as was the movement.

In essence, no movement can be considered egalitarian if it fights primarily for the rights of one gender while not giving the other gender an equal seat at the table in determining its course. The vast majority of the MRAs you hate so much are merely demanding that seat. Your sexism and your privilege is displayed when you refuse to recognize that perhaps yours is not the only POV to be considered in what should be a quest for a truly egalitarian society.

I think Wendy McElroy said it best at the link below. You may not like what she has to say...and perhaps you may stomp your foot and in your orthodox (ie: conservative) feminist bias you may even call her an anti-feminist, but she has hit the nail on the head. She understands what feminism is supposed to be about and how far it has strayed.

http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.333

As you can see, men are very bitter with the way t...

2008-11-05T08:38:22.120-05:00

As you can see, men are very bitter with the way that we have been treated, most men on here will have had false accusations of "Domestic Violence" used against them, their children taken away from them and become poverty stricken because of these unjust family laws.
We WANT to work with women to fight REAL DV, we are more and more every day, more men who have experienced EXTREME injustice with their dealings with woman and secret courts. This can be changed by ordinary family women realising that the system has gone terribly wrong, and that Kids NEED both parents.

What Feminist SayIf a man sleeps with a woman and ...

2008-11-05T07:43:00.810-05:00

What Feminist Say

If a man sleeps with a woman and has second thoughts about it
later on, they call it "fear of commitment."
If a woman sleeps with a man and has second thoughts about it
later on, they call it "date rape."

If a man gets drunk and sleeps with a woman, they hold him
responsible for his actions.
If a woman gets drunk and sleeps with a man, they hold him
responsible for her actions.

When men judge women based on their looks, they call it "lookism,"
"sexism" and "oppression."
When women judge men based on their looks and their salaries, they
call it "dating."

When a man says "You have to sleep with me to be an employee,"
they call it sexual harassment.
When a lesbian says "You have to sleep with me to be a feminist,"
they call it "body de-colonization" and "political lesbianism."

When a man says "some feminists hate men," he is engaging in
stereotypes and bashing.
When a feminist says "all men are potential rapists," she is
raising issues.

When feminists lie about rape, sexual harassment, domestic
violence, anorexia and bulimia, they are nonetheless educating the
public about legitimate issues.
When you point out that feminists lie about rape, sexual
harassment, domestic violence, anorexia and bulimia, you are guilty
of backlash.

When you ask why physical standards should be lowered so women can
join the military, they say that it ensures equality.
When you ask why only men are forced to register with the selective
service and only men can be forced into combat against their will,
they'll say that you are the one who starts all the wars.

When you say that men should not be discriminated against, they
will tell you that you hold all the power and privileges.
When you say that you don't feel that way, they will point out
rich men you don't even know.
When you say that women in your work place have equal pay and
equal numbers and no longer deserve special breaks and special
promotions, they will cite some statistics from someplace else.

If you say you are afraid of a violent woman, they will laugh at
you and send you away without help.
If you protect yourself from a violent woman, they will say that
violence against women is always wrong, no matter what.

If a woman accuses a Republican nominee of sexual harassment, they
say "Why would she lie?"
If several women accuse a Democratic president of sexual
harassment, they say "She probably lied."

If they want access to a predominantly male organization, club, or
school, they say that "diversity" is good.
If they want to keep men out of a predominantly female
organization, club, or school, they say segregation is good.

When a woman accuses a man of child abuse during a divorce or
custody battle, they say "Believe the children."
When the children themselves say they weren't abused, they don't
believe the children.

When a woman cannot support her children, they say we should raise
taxes on everyone to set up more programs to help her.
When a man cannot support his children, they say "Revoke the
deadbeat's license and throw him in jail."

When a man denies his children support money, they say he should
be punished.
When a woman denies her children a relationship with a warm and
loving father, by thwarting his visitation rights, they say it's a
"non-traditional family."

When an unwed father wants custody of his child, they say "Think
of the best interests of the children."
When a mother wants custody of her child, they say "Don't punish a
woman just because she works."

If a man starts a statement with "All women are ..." he is
using a stereotype.
If a feminist starts a statement with "All men are ..." she is
using a metaphor.

Feminists never tire of saying that single mothers...

2008-11-05T05:58:19.528-05:00

Feminists never tire of saying that single mothers do a great job. They do not. They may do their best, but that does not constitute doing a good job. Most of them do a terrible job, leaving a trail of social wreckage for decades. Her sons today are the gang-members of tomorrow. Her daughters today are the teenage mothers of tomorrow. The taxpayer picks up the tab.

I agree with last comment, In New Zealand 2 weeks ...

2008-11-05T05:55:26.952-05:00

I agree with last comment, In New Zealand 2 weeks ago the leader of the "Family First" party that advocates strong families has his house and garden attacked by 3 feminists. They put over 2000 plastic knves and forks into his garden lawn, meant to intimidate him.

Men and Women have always worked together, it is only recently that feminism has become so reviled and perverse

In reality, Domestic Violence affects both men AND...

2008-11-05T05:49:58.011-05:00

In reality, Domestic Violence affects both men AND women, but society does not recognise this, but it will in the future. Womens' groups receive lots of money from central government because of "Domestic Violence" and the leaders/management make BIG bucks from it. Men AND women must work TOGETHER to stop DV, alienating men is creating a severe backlash against feminism which is only starting. Originally feminists wanted equality which they achieved, but now they are trying to destroy the family unit. The feminists have NO real incentive to preserve the family because most are not hetrosexual, but they are the ones who are influencing the laws

I would like to predict here that my ex-wife Clair...

2008-11-05T05:37:49.205-05:00

I would like to predict here that my ex-wife Claire Rudasingwa, will murder her next husband, if i had retaliated in any way against her during our marriage, she would have killed me. So google this in this future please

Feminists on this board are furious! Its about ti...

2008-11-04T22:53:21.516-05:00

Feminists on this board are furious! Its about time men stand up to misandry and feminist bigotry towards fathers!! Gentlemen, you make us proud.

The feminists are angry because we are challenging their status as victims. The very foundation of feminism is based on victimization, a lack of accountability, misandry, and an uncanny knack to manipulate statistics to further their marxist ideology on gender issues.

The best analogy of male victims of domestic violence is the military. 97& of deaths in Iraq are men, but we must be politically correct and always state 'The Men and Women who have dies fighting for our country.' Ladies, the world doesn't just revolve around you!

I admire what Matthew said earlier on which was th...

2008-11-04T20:50:19.085-05:00

I admire what Matthew said earlier on which was this...

" Also the vast majority of men ARE NOT perpetrators of domestic violence, so to create ads that might give that impression is grossly irresponsible. Most crime is committed by African-American and Latino males on average, but cursed will be the day that anyone posted an ad depicting that. Society would be thrown into chaos."

In western societies, men are the only group that exist where it is allowed to be demonised in such a fashion. This is oppression within its self and who are the biggest culprits of this act of oppression? FEMINIST! which is a movement that is supposed to be against oppression. Doesn't this make them seem awfully foolish?

Like Mathew said in that quote, regardless if its the truth that any other group either for it to be WOMEN, or any race, if you claim they are the biggest culprits of an negative act, it would most likely be deemed as hatred.

As another thing to what Matthew said, these ad campaigns make out that its happening everywhere and that only boys, and that every boy, is either capable of or has the potential to become a perpetrator of domestic violence.

This level of biasness would never pass in the slightest if it was directed at any other group.

As a feminist said earlier in this thread, “men only think about men”. There is pure irony in this when you look at how all these campaigns that feminist make against DM is ONLY for women and ONLY helps women. If men claim equal support for male victims, we get shot down with such claims as for only thinking about men and being sexist. Anyone who is a flaming hypocrite in this fashion is completely stupid.

As to what Renne said earlier...

"Yeah spoken by a man that clearly knows nothing about feminism. Are you even aware of how many times feminists have pointed out the way in which sexism hurts men to?"

I have never seen this in my whole life, but please excuse my ignorance. Can you please provide proof and facts?

No, I said it. Bill Christen. By vulgarity, I am...

2008-11-04T17:07:10.016-05:00

No, I said it. Bill Christen. By vulgarity, I am talking about the foul language. That is all. I don't mind posting my name. And no, this is not original. But cussing to make a point is not really necessary. This is your blog, so talk like you wish.
Bill Christen (Regular Glenn Sacks poster)

Hmmm, if a man made a comment about locating a wom...

2008-11-04T16:12:03.314-05:00

Hmmm, if a man made a comment about locating a woman's street address, that would be called harrasment. But when a woman does it, it's 'empowerment.' I get it. Ooooohh, you girls are so tough!! I can barely handle it!!

Locate away. Better yet, you stay on your side of the fence, and I'll stay on mine. Don't worry, I won't be back here again. I have a life, unlike some of you.

I'm sure now you'll say that I'm a 'wimp' who runs away to mommy. That's right after you tell me to stop coming here. Feminist psychosis is funny, isn't it?

Call me when you want to ditch the entitlement/victim complex and talk about true equality. Until then . . .

. . . bye.

Renee, a good form of RAID is printing their IP ad...

2008-11-04T15:00:53.633-05:00

Renee, a good form of RAID is printing their IP address and location. Sometimes, it will even pop up on GOOGLE STREET VIEW and you can see exactly where they live.

Since they are so brave, I'm sure they won't mind if you share that info with the rest of us. :)

PS: I've done it twice on my blog, and I threatened a third person with it but didn't actually have to follow through.

The scared wittle babeez just scatter like cockroaches, the light drives them off. They prefer to scuttle around in the dark.

Vulgarity is the attempt of a feeble mind to expre...

2008-11-04T14:57:25.271-05:00

Vulgarity is the attempt of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly.

Stop plagiarizing. Try to be original.

Like this:

Anonymity is the last refuge of the idiot AND the coward.

And, as we see, it is also the refuge of someone who steals pithy quotes without attribution. (So, I guess we can add THIEVES and PLAGIARISTS to that.)

Doesn't your mother wonder where you've gone off to? Run along.

@ANON 171...Since you are so seriously offended by...

2008-11-04T14:50:42.940-05:00

@ANON 171...Since you are so seriously offended by women that speak their own minds why don't you just follow the yellow brick road the hell off my blog.

@Daisy can you spare some raid? This MRA infestation clearly is still in need of fumigation.

Vulgarity is the attempt of a feeble mind to expre...

2008-11-04T14:46:18.024-05:00

Vulgarity is the attempt of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly.

Ah, so you have been commenting under ANONYMOUS, t...

2008-11-04T14:41:44.622-05:00

Ah, so you have been commenting under ANONYMOUS, too? Sock puppetry: the last refuge of the idiot.

And yes, the second 'every' was on purpose. It was...

2008-11-04T14:25:16.585-05:00

And yes, the second 'every' was on purpose. It was a joke. Oh, I forgot, feminists have no sense of humor . . .