tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post741833337396005331..comments2014-07-13T15:36:35.433-04:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Feministing And SexismReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-21931407698945074852008-11-04T16:39:00.000-05:002008-11-04T16:39:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-50843959454150239142008-10-30T08:08:00.000-04:002008-10-30T08:08:00.000-04:00It might be wrong, but it isn't sexism. The -ism ...It might be wrong, but it isn't sexism. The -ism comes with the power and women aren't the ones who have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-91565268368545646612008-10-04T20:48:00.000-04:002008-10-04T20:48:00.000-04:00Come on people. This is a play on words; it is not...Come on people. This is a play on words; it is not intended to reduce Biden to a sex object. There is also not a large and historic culture in the US where men are constantly being objectified so that they can be dismissed, deprived of respect and have their other traits ignored. I think both those who would call this sexist and those who make the claim that there is nothing wrong with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-12739293592730718592008-10-04T13:19:00.000-04:002008-10-04T13:19:00.000-04:00@Renee...Ok. :-)Tis too early to digest this, was ...@Renee...<BR/><BR/>Ok. :-)<BR/><BR/>Tis too early to digest this, was up all night, but I am leaving the thread up in a tab to reread a few times later on this afternoon.<BR/><BR/>Thanx for the reply...The Link Back Projecthttp://www.linkbackproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-3384296499594634082008-10-04T12:17:00.000-04:002008-10-04T12:17:00.000-04:00@LBPBut where in the article that you linked did i...@LBP<BR/><EM>But where in the article that you linked did it say the woman had "no husband/s.o.</EM><BR/>The point is I do. Living as hetero woman in a stable relationship that is largely validated with the exception of our racial difference means that I have a privilege. I cannot step outside of that to place a judgment on a woman. <BR/><BR/><EM>The commenters skewed away from the post, and Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-17957842545423097222008-10-04T04:22:00.000-04:002008-10-04T04:22:00.000-04:00I'm sorry, I really don't see how this is objectif...I'm sorry, I really don't see how this is objectifying or degrading Joe Biden or men in general... I feel the need to reiterate my post on Feministing:<BR/><BR/><BR/>A couple of points:<BR/><BR/>First, this isn't dismemberment. You could get technical and say that you had to take 2 images apart to put it together, but putting someone's head on someone else's body does not imply dismemberment; it artdykehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08904255906344359358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14090061431361134162008-10-03T21:04:00.000-04:002008-10-03T21:04:00.000-04:00It is sexist. And they are not really feminists if...It is sexist. <BR/>And they are not really feminists if they find something like that funny<BR/>Since feminism is not about women being treated better, and men being treated worse. It's about equality of the sexes, that's equality for both, meaning we shouldn't sexually objectify or degrade a man, just like a man shouldn't objectify or degrade a woman.<BR/><BR/>This is really disappointing to see.CMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06174430512013500963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-6152762456169586632008-10-03T17:26:00.000-04:002008-10-03T17:26:00.000-04:00@Renee...But where in the article that you linked ...@Renee...<BR/><BR/>But where in the article that you linked did it say the woman had "no husband/s.o."?<BR/><BR/>The commenters skewed away from the post, and slid into man bashing. It is your journalistic integrity that I am calling into question.<BR/><BR/>Playing to the masses is great, but at what cost? Same with this post. It plays to the masses more than it does addressing "Feminism". The Link Back Projecthttp://www.linkbackproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-53727898917717917282008-10-03T17:10:00.000-04:002008-10-03T17:10:00.000-04:00Democrats will vote for the Democrat. Republicans ...Democrats will vote for the Democrat. Republicans will vote for the Republican. That’s how it has always been. <BR/>John McCain and Joe Biden are politicians. They know their numbers, and they know Washington. <BR/>What is different about this election is culture. Where is America going, culturally?<BR/>This is where Barack Obama and Sarah Palin come in. <BR/>Some say race is a factor against Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-20919505437574863572008-10-03T17:04:00.000-04:002008-10-03T17:04:00.000-04:00I saw this on their site and I was like, come on F...I saw this on their site and I was like, come on Feministing, what are you thinking?Ojibway Migisi Bineshiihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14328347379621837240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-20495700874787372912008-10-03T15:58:00.000-04:002008-10-03T15:58:00.000-04:00@LBP this is yet another one of those times when y...@LBP this is yet another one of those times when you are not getting how privilege works.. You see if you have certain things in life you will never be placed in certain situations. Simply existing as someone in a stable relationship gives me a huge advantage over the young woman in question. Even If I were to leave the "unhusband" tomorrow his commitment to our children ensures that I would Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-34364094768694348062008-10-03T15:53:00.000-04:002008-10-03T15:53:00.000-04:00@Renee...Double standards and hypocrisy still flou...@Renee...<BR/><BR/>Double standards and hypocrisy still flourish, but this post makes for a good "spin" to divert attention away from them.<BR/><BR/>David Plouffe would be proud...The Link Back Projecthttp://www.linkbackproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-22436884292797268142008-10-03T15:39:00.000-04:002008-10-03T15:39:00.000-04:00On one hand this is why I think intent matters but...On one hand this is why I think intent matters but at the same time offensive is offensive.<BR/><BR/>Only to a certain degree. People often use intent as a shield to hide behind when they are confronted for perpetuating the isms. In actuality most people are aware that their actions can be construed as sexist, racist etc and proceed anyway because their bodies are encoded with privilege. There isReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-4966531918677582432008-10-03T15:37:00.000-04:002008-10-03T15:37:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-56538513611760843622008-10-03T15:03:00.000-04:002008-10-03T15:03:00.000-04:00Ann's response:Indeed, this is a play on words. It...Ann's response:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Indeed, this is a play on words. It's a joke about Palin's repeated use of the phrase "Joe Sixpack." What sets this apart from, say, the photoshopped image of Palin's head on a bikini-clad body, is that the point of the bikini image was, "Isn't she HAWT?!" I'm not attempting a sweeping statement about gender here, or trying to take a cheap shot at Biden based on Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-42577237216917867372008-10-03T14:36:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:36:00.000-04:00The good thing about this is while there are a few...The good thing about this is while there are a few kool aid brains that cannot think for themselves, there are plenty of people on that thread calling out the sexism, which is encouraging.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14005599104030300902008-10-03T14:27:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:27:00.000-04:00If feminists want equality this is not the way to ...<I>If feminists want equality this is not the way to go about it (and WTF, w/ Joe Biden as a target?).</I><BR/>And what makes this much sadder is they are making a sexist joke about the main brain behind the Violence Against Women Act. I have my own issues (small ones mind you) against the act but if I'm gonna make a statement against him I'm pretty sure I can find some better material than Dannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-48705442805645763032008-10-03T14:22:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:22:00.000-04:00I agree 100%. We can't condone behavior and then ...I agree 100%. We can't condone behavior and then turn around and do the very same thing.Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13285797515594923013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-60736653838832077782008-10-03T14:08:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:08:00.000-04:00Thanks, Renee. Sometimes I get so frustrated w/ F...Thanks, Renee. Sometimes I get so frustrated w/ Feministing over stuff like this (I haven't even seen the thread) that I boycott for weeks. Usually it is the commenters and their "my feminism is better than your feminism" attitude.<BR/><BR/>I don't know where I stand on calling it sexism, highly hypocritical, definitely, b/c feminists should be better than that. I firmly believe that reverse Ouyang Danhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02282893846892373915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-6288465111611867142008-10-03T12:55:00.000-04:002008-10-03T12:55:00.000-04:00@LBP I understand what you are trying to say here ...@LBP I understand what you are trying to say here but the link is not the same. You are referring to my refusal to denigrate a young woman for leaving her child behind. For me to make commentary on that situation in the way in which you had requested I would have had to ignore the degree of privilege in my life. As you are well aware I believe in owning privilege in all circumstances.<BR/>In Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-6826829595524038522008-10-03T12:25:00.000-04:002008-10-03T12:25:00.000-04:00I had a bit of a problem with this as well. I may ...I had a bit of a problem with this as well. I may not have gotten as angry as some of the commenters on the site did, but the more I look at it, the more I can see the double-standard it presents. And as Biden is a man that I am growing to deeply respect, it seems rather deeming as well.Danyellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16668537606918945664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-45957389798577913632008-10-03T12:14:00.000-04:002008-10-03T12:14:00.000-04:00Renee: "You, over there..."LBP: "Thank You Renee. ...Renee: "You, over there..."<BR/><BR/>LBP: "Thank You Renee. My name is LBP, from Fencesitters weekly."<BR/><BR/>LBP: "I have a question... What if it were a commenter that had brought this up? Would you be even more adamant that it was sexist? Or are you going to tell us that you can't comment, until that type of thing actually happens?"The Link Back Projecthttp://www.linkbackproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-3178742358829613582008-10-03T12:03:00.000-04:002008-10-03T12:03:00.000-04:00Thanks Danny, I just call it as I see it. I hated ...Thanks Danny, I just call it as I see it. I hated to call them on it but I don't believe in holding women to different standards than I do men. When I say that I believe in equality I truly mean it. I find it telling that the next post after this is a complaint about a disembodied woman, yet somehow this is not sexist or hypocritical. <BR/><BR/>While I certainly agree women don't exist with the Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-54940991265082609112008-10-03T11:41:00.000-04:002008-10-03T11:41:00.000-04:00I don't always see eye to eye with you Renee but I...I don't always see eye to eye with you Renee but I give you props on saying something about this for the following reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. For having guts to post you disgust on what is often celebrated as a "progressive, insightful, and thought provoking" site. And rest assured if a man who is not feminist approved were to do the same he would be attcked for it.<BR/><BR/>2. For actually calling itDannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13806448004236223177noreply@blogger.com