tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post7603372184665016013..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Pearl Clutchers and Straw WomenReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-7919874130701342772008-12-02T12:11:00.000-05:002008-12-02T12:11:00.000-05:00Speaking of communism (*ducks*), I once took part ...Speaking of communism (*ducks*), I once took part in a very good breakdown/analysis of THIS phrase:<BR/><BR/>(Tim said) <I>People I oppress? I don't oppress anybody.</I><BR/><BR/>We need some Oppression 101 to go with this, I think. <BR/><BR/>Tim, if you are a citizen of the USA, you are automatically oppressing the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance. (The Empire is using YOUR MONEYDaisyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16354486841414802245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-10740702513483830482008-12-02T11:48:00.000-05:002008-12-02T11:48:00.000-05:00Nia: I have a disabled friend who I was very clos...Nia: <I>I have a disabled friend who I was very close to and on a couple ocassions I felt it was my right to just jump in and give an opinion on what he must be feeling in certain situations where he was placed at a disadvantage because of his disability and to sympathize and advise him on what he should do.</I><BR/><BR/>After the last HEROES episode, I got all pissy about the disabled characterDaisyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16354486841414802245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-47459867135397005712008-11-28T06:34:00.000-05:002008-11-28T06:34:00.000-05:00OK, I do care about STFU. But hey, what can one do...OK, I do care about STFU. But hey, what can one do about it.julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-34777947046223651152008-11-28T06:32:00.000-05:002008-11-28T06:32:00.000-05:00Does STFU mean shut the fuck up?OK, I don't care. ...Does STFU mean shut the fuck up?<BR/><BR/>OK, I don't care. I just didn't know that.julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-22713867677272394412008-11-28T05:06:00.000-05:002008-11-28T05:06:00.000-05:00Tim, let me ask you. If you walk into someone&#39...Tim, let me ask you. If you walk into someone&#39;s house, and they call you names, are you *entitled* to have them change how they speak so that you&#39;re not insulted? There is quite a difference between someone calling you names in public space - as you&#39;re referencing with the &quot;go back to Africa&quot; comment you made toward me - and within their own domain. When you are occupyingJadelynhttp://witch-words.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-90635449506062981182008-11-27T22:04:00.000-05:002008-11-27T22:04:00.000-05:00@ReneeIt's late so lets just call a truce. The com...@Renee<BR/><BR/>It's late so lets just call a truce. The comment was actually directed at Jadelyn. Since she implied that me disagreeing with you meant i should not come here or comment. My point is that saying if you don't like something don't read it can be used to justify things that we would both agree are not right.<BR/><BR/>However, you said <I>"it was you who made it personal not me."</I> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-22573782655751670282008-11-27T20:45:00.000-05:002008-11-27T20:45:00.000-05:00@Tim Let me ask you this. Have you ever had someon...@Tim <BR/><EM>Let me ask you this. Have you ever had someone call you a nigger? Then say if you don't like being called a nigger you should go back to Africa. That is essentially what you have said to me. Saying if you don't like something don't read it is completely ridiculous.</EM><BR/><BR/>This argument does not hold any water. I used the word fuck I did not call you an intolerable name there Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-75672138912649611162008-11-27T20:24:00.000-05:002008-11-27T20:24:00.000-05:00@Renee"@Tim if you find profanity hostile or threa...@Renee<BR/><I>"@Tim if you find profanity hostile or threatening that is your issue and not mine. I will express myself as I see fit. Attempting to discipline my language for your comfort is an example of patriarchal privilege."</I><BR/><BR/>So first you thought i was a racist (based on your "sorry massa" comment. Now that i have stated that I am in fact black you imply that i am sexist. Well, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-80801355191457753512008-11-27T18:24:00.000-05:002008-11-27T18:24:00.000-05:00shown cheaper merchandiseOh the humanity!I don't w...shown cheaper merchandise<BR/>Oh the humanity!<BR/><BR/>I don't want to hear about the ways that you identify with me, because you cannot<BR/>Yes, you're completely unique in your problems. All of them. Let's continue the speratism. <BR/><BR/>The ironic part about this is, that this post isn't even angry. <BR/>So you're a comedian too.<BR/><BR/>Don't upset the fragile white woman, the mother of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-125492404605694532008-11-27T16:33:00.000-05:002008-11-27T16:33:00.000-05:00Wow, listen to him stomp his feet and demand "prop...Wow, listen to him stomp his feet and demand "proper respect" in your speech. <BR/><BR/>Tim, what makes you think you're entitled to have people speak to you in a way that makes you comfortable? If you don't like how you're being spoken to...leave! Don't read it! This is a privately owned and operated space, and you are not entitled to coddling, or indeed, even "respect" if Renee chooses not Jadelynhttp://witch-words.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-81554773695672882602008-11-27T14:28:00.000-05:002008-11-27T14:28:00.000-05:00@Tim if you find profanity hostile or threatening ...@Tim if you find profanity hostile or threatening that is your issue and not mine. I will express myself as I see fit. Attempting to discipline my language for your comfort is an example of patriarchal privilege. <BR/><BR/>I have very clearly stated if you want to learn you need to listen. I choose the language that I do for very specific reasons and you are not entitled to an explanation. I Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-58412135076688218612008-11-27T13:06:00.000-05:002008-11-27T13:06:00.000-05:00@Renee"@Tim would you prefer I sorry massa Tim. I ...@Renee<BR/><I><BR/>"@Tim would you prefer I sorry massa Tim. I shoulda knows my place. Well sorry about your luck, and fuck that. I don't need to sugar coat my words. All your preaching about tone is discipline. If I make my words sweet enough you might decide to listen, how generous of you."<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>This is exactly what I am talking about. For the record, I am African American so the "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-77187796744148066192008-11-27T12:28:00.000-05:002008-11-27T12:28:00.000-05:00@Tim would you prefer I sorry massa Tim. I shoulda...@Tim would you prefer I sorry massa Tim. I shoulda knows my place. Well sorry about your luck, and fuck that. I don't need to sugar coat my words. All your preaching about tone is discipline. If I make my words sweet enough you might decide to listen, how generous of you.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-64670778629352685482008-11-27T12:23:00.000-05:002008-11-27T12:23:00.000-05:00@Arum,"Firstly, describing someone's anger as 'an ...@Arum,<BR/><BR/><I>"Firstly, describing someone's anger as 'an endless rant' is belittling them."</I><BR/><BR/>I used the word rant because the original poster said:<BR/><BR/>"Think about how frustrating it is when you start to vent to a male partner/friend about some shit that's happened to you today."<BR/><BR/>Venting and ranting are essentially the same thing to me. <BR/><BR/>"There are a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-61609929524436339702008-11-27T11:43:00.000-05:002008-11-27T11:43:00.000-05:00@ Tim,Firstly, describing someone's anger as 'an e...@ Tim,<BR/><BR/>Firstly, describing someone's anger as 'an endless rant' is belittling them.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, you ask what exactly we want men to do. Okay. There are a massive range of possible responses that lie between stoney silence and lecturing someone. How about trying sympathy? Or push it up a few notches and go for empathy? Open ended questions? Clarifying statements? Concern for their Arumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06450538921951407699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-71857772559464320252008-11-27T11:08:00.000-05:002008-11-27T11:08:00.000-05:00Being told to STFU does come across as anger. I do...Being told to STFU does come across as anger. I don’t want to speak for Renee, (especially since she said she wasn’t really angry) but often when people sound angry the underlying cause of that anger is pain. If you read this blog then you should have a pretty good idea of the ways in which POC and the disenfranchised have been assaulted by the powerful. To say that those things could be a cause Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-33342824929209888832008-11-27T09:08:00.000-05:002008-11-27T09:08:00.000-05:00@Anon 42"What is this? If you are not interested i...@Anon 42<BR/><BR/><I>"What is this? If you are not interested in how people in your life are oppressed, how can you even pretend to care about them?" </I><BR/><BR/>I said this because the original commenter said they get upset when they vent to their man and and he offers advice. I admit i chose my words poorly. My point is that what do you expect the man to do. Listen to an endless rant and thenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-7037578839447965852008-11-27T03:10:00.000-05:002008-11-27T03:10:00.000-05:00@Tim"I've got a simple solution to this problem. D...@Tim<BR/>"I've got a simple solution to this problem. Don't vent to us about your problems. We are not interested anyway."<BR/>What is this? If you are not interested in how people in your life are oppressed, how can you even pretend to care about them? And with respect to the fact that you comment on this blog, what are you doing here if have no desire to listen to the point of view of the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-79433635990340684922008-11-27T02:05:00.000-05:002008-11-27T02:05:00.000-05:00I got a big lecture over this today. A smack acros...I got a big lecture over this today. A smack across the knuckles, so to speak. <BR/><BR/>"If WOC feel that white people are discriminating them then they have every right to speak up against it", I have been reminded. <BR/><BR/>"I have no right to tell them that their pain is any less than anyone else's who feel discrimination", I have been scolded. <BR/><BR/>Once again Renee, this is your site julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-51025364971207134202008-11-26T23:13:00.000-05:002008-11-26T23:13:00.000-05:00Hate to hop in with conjecture on Renee's point he...Hate to hop in with conjecture on Renee's point here, but all the "why are you picking on white people," questions seem a bit ill thought out. Perhaps I just have a particularly thick skin (it has been said of me) but I can read all these "white privilege" posts without feeling particularly "picked on" at all.<BR/><BR/>A. White people are the majority and the "norm" in the US and Canada, thus areAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38604061973774818432008-11-26T22:26:00.000-05:002008-11-26T22:26:00.000-05:00Goddamn, the trolls crawl out.The point of this po...Goddamn, the trolls crawl out.<BR/><BR/>The point of this post is that my goal, as a white feminist (and as a fucking decent human being) is to shut up and really listen to other people, especially to those who don't usually get to speak. I don't need to relate to them, I don't need to argue with them, I don't even need to fucking AGREE with them as long as I HEAR them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-15354346114195766112008-11-26T22:11:00.000-05:002008-11-26T22:11:00.000-05:00@Anon 37 are you having fun walking around with yo...@Anon 37 are you having fun walking around with your pearls and pedestal?<BR/><BR/>In case you have not noticed plenty of white people comment on my posts about privilege. The idea is to fight the systemic inequality by owning your unearned privilege. I am quite sorry that I don't play docile happy negro enough for you but that is contrary to my personal dignity.<BR/>If you feel that you are Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-45711833041761420462008-11-26T22:05:00.000-05:002008-11-26T22:05:00.000-05:00Why is this post directed ONLY at white women?I th...Why is this post directed ONLY at white women?<BR/><BR/>I think Renee writes these just to stir up trouble. Nothing a white person says is 'ok'. She'll dissect every word and turn it around on you.<BR/><BR/>I like the other posts, but these ones only seem to serve to push 'others' away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-35821232473733553232008-11-26T18:57:00.000-05:002008-11-26T18:57:00.000-05:00@ TimYou know how silly your comment is and you're...@ Tim<BR/><BR/>You know how silly your comment is and you're doing a bad job of pretending otherwise. <BR/><BR/>She is saying that blacks, women, and fruther black women have been silenced for so long and still are. When you sit there and try to tell them they need to shush and listen to what YOU are saying, that's like talking for 100 years then complaining because someone else wants to have a bluelinchpinhttp://bluelinchpin.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-41800941893527883952008-11-26T16:37:00.000-05:002008-11-26T16:37:00.000-05:00Renee, I'm sorry you've been infested again. But ...Renee, I'm sorry you've been infested again. <BR/><BR/>But hey, clearly you're hitting enough of a nerve to piss them off. I'd say that's a good sign.<BR/><BR/>@Tim - Why is it so threatening to you to not be the top voice? What are you so afraid of, if you do shut up and listen? Seriously. What do you think will happen that's so terrible, if you do shut up and listen to someone else for Jadelynhttp://witch-words.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com