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I refuse to suspend a disbelief in magic/superstition in order to buy this notion that surgery turns penile tissue into vaginal mucosa.justicewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-41535462626043930792008-10-06T11:56:00.000-04:002008-10-06T11:56:00.000-04:00***It is saying that there is a cult of vaginas-ar...***It is saying that there is a cult of vaginas-are-gross that is not about trans women. The fact that trans women who surgically transition are automatically then included in that insult does not make it specifically about trans ness.***<BR/><BR/>Well, frankly, that's all I was saying also. Slurs like "smellishis poon" are not specifically about transwomen. It's about female-bodied women. If justicewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40265863246351477782008-10-05T15:44:00.000-04:002008-10-05T15:44:00.000-04:00Lisa - my comments are not about Justice Walks' es...Lisa - my comments are not about Justice Walks' essentialist views, nor are my views in line with hers. The only actual thing I agree with her about when it comes to this post is that the way I originally read it, it seemed to me to be about saying this man was aiming *specifically* at insulting blackness and trans-ness, rather than blackness and female-assigned-at-birth-ness. <BR/><BR/>I Joan Kellywww.joankelly6000.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-61316817076101635112008-10-05T00:37:00.000-04:002008-10-05T00:37:00.000-04:00I was mainly aiming that at Joan Kelly's comment, ...I was mainly aiming that at Joan Kelly's comment, not at anything you've said.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Lisa Harneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05701960869234061244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-73584197900729748212008-10-04T23:29:00.000-04:002008-10-04T23:29:00.000-04:00@Lisa Thank you so much for weighing in. I have ...@Lisa <BR/> <BR/>Thank you so much for weighing in. I have been attempting to point out the errors in Justices commentary but I will admit that a lack of complete knowledge has made some of my arguments weak. I did not comment on the state of a trans womans vagina simply because I have no experience with it. <BR/><BR/>Though I have allowed open commentary on this blog I will admit that quite aReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5749264043103282242008-10-04T22:57:00.000-04:002008-10-04T22:57:00.000-04:00Justicewalks,But men on stage only acting out femi...Justicewalks,<BR/><BR/><EM>But men on stage only acting out femininity for a joke, then going back to being masculine men when it comes to getting/keeping jobs/housing and you've only reinforced the notion that to be taken seriously, you've got to masculine, while femininity is nothing but a joke.</EM> <BR/><BR/>You're not talking about drag queens here. I don't even know who you're talking aboutLisa Harneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05701960869234061244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38076733035590296842008-10-04T22:42:00.000-04:002008-10-04T22:42:00.000-04:00"male-bodied women" is misogynist against trans wo..."male-bodied women" is misogynist against trans women, and is biological essentialism. <BR/><BR/>The assumption that trans women's vaginas have no odors is wrong. The assumption that a slur against vaginas somehow doesn't include trans women's vaginas is wrong.Lisa Harneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05701960869234061244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-26796571743771175762008-10-04T14:20:00.000-04:002008-10-04T14:20:00.000-04:00And this man is a public elected official in the U...And this man is a public elected official in the United States! And folks wonder why we're angry! When officials think it perfectfully fine to act in such an overt and blatantly racist manner under the guise of fun or good humor it only sets the stage for their true colors to come out. This is simply horrible.SjPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03637955368291716153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40524890655859534442008-10-04T09:50:00.000-04:002008-10-04T09:50:00.000-04:00Hi Well lets just say that stunt was stupid and of...Hi <BR/>Well lets just say that stunt was stupid and offensive.But how about a new scope of direction.For example I'm the only white guy<BR/>where I live.I may go weeks without seeing a white person.I have been prejudiced many times.<BR/>Now I could write a blog about all these thing but guess what who wants to hear that.<BR/> Why don't you slip in some of the progress that all these issues have John Sullivanhttp://potpolitics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5441932901570356662008-10-03T14:30:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:30:00.000-04:00Okay, thanks Renee. I do believe that in fact hat...Okay, thanks Renee. <BR/><BR/>I do believe that in fact hatred of trans women is about hating all women - it's not either/or to me. I asked my original question not because I thought trans women should be excluded from this conversation or any other, or that they *would* be excluded from attack by this guy. <BR/><BR/>I just didn't get why it looked like what he was doing was anti trans women Joan Kellywww.joankelly6000.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-14489562972320550192008-10-03T14:23:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:23:00.000-04:00I'm not "excluding" gender. I'm simply saying tha...I'm not "excluding" gender. I'm simply saying that maleness and femaleness are indicators of sex, not gender. And when I talk about maleness and femaleness, I'm talking about sex. That I personally also don't care about gender as anything other than a social construct that has been used to oppress women doesn't have anything to do with the fact that sex is definite, no matter how permeable thejusticewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-81734238425582565752008-10-03T14:18:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:18:00.000-04:00@justiceI am not concerned with gender because gen...@justice<BR/><EM>I am not concerned with gender because gender is not something that actually exists. I am concerned with sex - of which male and female are the two most common categories. Sex actually does exist.</EM><BR/><BR/>Your desire to exclude gender exists so that you can express your cis privilege. The body does not just exist as an entity without meaning. It is acted upon and Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-49092333406863142832008-10-03T14:08:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:08:00.000-04:00That was me up there, by the way. I'd signed in t...That was me up there, by the way. I'd signed in to a different email account.justicewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-78109767732345897632008-10-03T14:04:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:04:00.000-04:00@Joan sorry I missed your second commentary..It wa...@Joan sorry I missed your second commentary..It was never my intention to ignore you.<BR/><BR/><EM>Since professional drag queens are historically about caricaturing non-trans women, and to my understanding it's a dismissive (not by you, I'm saying in popular culture when this is done) conflation to refer to trans women as "drag queens," plus with the your-vaginas-stink! name he chose, this sort Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5175894440025604812008-10-03T13:55:00.000-04:002008-10-03T13:55:00.000-04:00So I guess that's a no. No one's going to tell me...So I guess that's a no. No one's going to tell me why the completely-devoid-of-trans-bashing comment I left - in which I also flatly stated that I DON'T consider misogyny and anti-trans bigotry to be mutually exclusive - has been responded to as if I wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Hey everybody, trans women are not real women, and also anybody who is misogynist is by nature not anti-trans women, plus this is Joan Kellywww.joankelly6000.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-39798625033867278562008-10-03T13:48:00.000-04:002008-10-03T13:48:00.000-04:00***This only true if we reduce gender to genialia ...***This only true if we reduce gender to genialia and gender is made up of so much more than that. Does your vagina say everything there is about you?***<BR/><BR/>I am not concerned with gender because gender is not something that actually exists. I am concerned with sex - of which male and female are the two most common categories. Sex actually does exist.<BR/><BR/>And while my female Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06133896551877214629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-84322792813881063132008-10-03T13:37:00.000-04:002008-10-03T13:37:00.000-04:00@JusticeThat's not to say that transwomen should n...@Justice<BR/><EM>That's not to say that transwomen should not be included in the discussion, but merely to say that it's wrong to jump over all the directly affected, directly insulted female-bodied women in order to talk about the indirectly affected transwomen.</EM><BR/><BR/>Transwomen are not indirectly effected by this. As I stated the NAACP commented on this from a black woman perspective Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-18339516812306959632008-10-03T13:08:00.000-04:002008-10-03T13:08:00.000-04:00A drag show is not about BLURRING gender! It's ab...A drag show is not about BLURRING gender! It's about upholding it. It's about reinforcing the oppositional polarity of masculinity and femininity - that males should be masculine and females feminine. What makes drag show minstrelsy funny to the people who enjoy it is the fact that men aren't *supposed* to be feminine, so when men don feminine accoutrement for laughs, they are playing up this justicewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-19056578386916942432008-10-03T12:59:00.000-04:002008-10-03T12:59:00.000-04:00And I suppose you're saying, then, that since the ...And I suppose you're saying, then, that since the transphobia was so conspicuously absent from the NAACP complaint, the absent misogyny was... what? Commonplace? Unmentionable? Why are female-bodied women being left out of the discussion? That's not to say that transwomen should not be included in the discussion, but merely to say that it's wrong to jump over all the directly affected, justicewalkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18343248686955177423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-80341752551632308952008-10-03T11:58:00.000-04:002008-10-03T11:58:00.000-04:00If you're saying that drag is only offensive when ...<EM>If you're saying that drag is only offensive when males at the top of the chain do it, you're also saying that it might be OK for Chinese people to don blackface, or Mediterranean people to don yellowface, while only white people are prohibited from doing either.</EM><BR/><BR/>No a drag show is about blurring gender and can also be viewed as a piece of performance art, whereas this was done Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.com