tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post8784073867600479303..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Does Dating Interracially Make Someone A Race Traitor?Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-87438392675529184092008-08-12T13:25:00.000-04:002008-08-12T13:25:00.000-04:00"However, there are many black women who only wear..."However, there are many black women who only wear hair weaves that mimic the natural texture of their African hair, in other words not all hair weaves for black people are straight, silky and European. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank you Nia not all black women wear hair weaves that mimic european hair styles even so european women wear hair extensions too i see it all the time.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"and when I Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-83232926157897577462008-08-12T09:16:00.000-04:002008-08-12T09:16:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15475910401200498514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-7063820157861103212008-08-12T01:28:00.000-04:002008-08-12T01:28:00.000-04:00I would just like to comment on the quote in the m...I would just like to comment on the quote in the main posting,<BR/><BR/> "Why is that self hatred and not having children who will come out looking less black with all these features that will be altered by changing the genetic makeup of someone's offspring not considered the same thing." <BR/><BR/>All children are genetically altered, as they get 24 chromosomes from one source and 24 from Jananolehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11913741645275203132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-10953622952396397922008-08-11T19:22:00.000-04:002008-08-11T19:22:00.000-04:00@EbonyI do care about how my children look and I w...@Ebony<BR/><EM>I do care about how my children look and I want them to look like me, and I have the right too just like Renee doesn't care that her children may look European because she's with someone of European decent.</EM><BR/><BR/>My children look like me, and you are making assumptions. Honestly as a mother I just wanted healthy strong children and thankfully that is what I have. That Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-21629665499472481802008-08-11T18:42:00.000-04:002008-08-11T18:42:00.000-04:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Bag_PartyThe Pa...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Bag_Party<BR/><BR/>The Paper bag test was created by lighter skin and or mixed african americans so that they could isolate and distinguish themselves from darker-skinned blacks.<BR/><BR/>Even in contemporary American society, psychological studies have shown African-American and white participants both demonstrate colorism, in which they perceive light-skinned Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-17215995005452982932008-08-11T18:31:00.000-04:002008-08-11T18:31:00.000-04:00@ Nia"I'm really not sure what you meant by that, ...@ Nia<BR/><BR/>"I'm really not sure what you meant by that, and there was definitely nothing in my post that suggested that, so can you please clarify.<BR/>And I never disputed that the original people on earth were not dark skin. "<BR/><BR/>No prob Nia, I'm not directing my question at you I'm directing it to everyone. Everything to do with our history as black people Europeans have dis-creditedEbony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-90337075943709677082008-08-11T18:19:00.000-04:002008-08-11T18:19:00.000-04:00"I've had people say to me things like "how intere..."I've had people say to me things like "how interesting that if you have dark children, it'll be because of you and not him." Am I supposed to be ashamed of this?"<BR/><BR/>Your missing what I am saying I don't have a problem with dark skin children I am NOT light skin. My problem is that people put lighter skin and mixed children over darker skin children and we all know this, regardless if Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-422685194049828542008-08-11T18:13:00.000-04:002008-08-11T18:13:00.000-04:00"I might be mistaken, but I think the original poi..."I might be mistaken, but I think the original point there was self-hatred in the way that WOC are accused of self-hatred (as in hatred of their color more so than their gender)."<BR/><BR/>The original discussion was based on self hatred of looks not gender. Renee has stated countless times that black women who weave or perm are expressing self hatred. But fails to acknowledge that black men and Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-81654767457993215902008-08-11T16:27:00.000-04:002008-08-11T16:27:00.000-04:00White women dye their hair blonde, they get plasti...<I>White women dye their hair blonde, they get plastic surgery, they starve themselves not to eat. and no one says its self hatred. </I><BR/><BR/>I might be mistaken, but I think the original point there was self-hatred in the way that WOC are accused of self-hatred (as in hatred of their color more so than their gender). <BR/><BR/>For my own two cents in the matter, I think the more important frau sally benzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01054413520223145494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-41801503766747838522008-08-11T15:17:00.000-04:002008-08-11T15:17:00.000-04:00Melissa beat me to it. I've seen many discussions ...Melissa beat me to it. I've seen many discussions about whether or not white women and their beauty regimens and attempts to alter their looks are due to self-hatred, or adherence to harmful cultural ideals.<BR/><BR/>I would think very few people consider what their children might look like when they are dating someone. I certainly wasn't when I met my husband, he was just someone fun to hang outDonnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-57247481185335705652008-08-11T14:56:00.000-04:002008-08-11T14:56:00.000-04:00White women dye their hair blonde, they get plasti...<I>White women dye their hair blonde, they get plastic surgery, they starve themselves not to eat. and no one says its self hatred. </I><BR/><BR/>Actually, quite a lot of people say that's self-hatred. I daresay it would be difficult to find a discussion of any of those issues in the feminist/womanist blogosphere without reference to internalized misogyny, which is just another way to say Melissa McEwanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04784594504716679607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-65760600920279766632008-08-11T13:55:00.000-04:002008-08-11T13:55:00.000-04:00Dating or marrying inter-racially is a personal ch...Dating or marrying inter-racially is a personal choice- no one can dictate who you love. I know some people who are in a relationship with another race that have extreme racial views and that surprises everyone when their partner appears. Within the black community, you still have a large percentage of black professionals marrying lighter skin or European feature black people.You rarely see a leehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13117851176461002657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-32004554041703937782008-08-11T13:31:00.000-04:002008-08-11T13:31:00.000-04:00You ignored that children who are mixed are valued...<EM>You ignored that children who are mixed are valued and tread better than those who aren't and you also ignored why non black people now want to have "dark skin" even though they hate those who naturally have it.</EM><BR/><BR/>No I referenced hueism in the original post.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-58750307664679441482008-08-11T12:39:00.000-04:002008-08-11T12:39:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15475910401200498514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-56268648867859635132008-08-11T12:26:00.000-04:002008-08-11T12:26:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15475910401200498514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-40449397911114631662008-08-11T12:11:00.000-04:002008-08-11T12:11:00.000-04:00@ NiaThe original people of this Earth are dark sk...@ Nia<BR/><BR/>The original people of this Earth are dark skin, anyone can argue it as much as they want but everyone ignores the fact that everyone was orignal darker. That is the main point, i know that we have become ligther and it does have a to deal with all the inter-mixing that has taken place over centuries. All you have to do is take out a map and look at how close Italy, Greece, Spain Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-15677425256233631252008-08-11T11:26:00.000-04:002008-08-11T11:26:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.niahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15475910401200498514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-28102556202953444272008-08-11T11:00:00.000-04:002008-08-11T11:00:00.000-04:00You state all the time that black women who wear t...You state all the time that black women who wear their hair permed, or weave are trying to be "EUROCENTRIC"<BR/><BR/>No they are trying to appear Eurocentric as they are changing a part of their body to mirror white features. Getting the lips enhanced has nothing to do with emulating "black features" The mouth of the woman is a substitution for the vaginal lips..to get them fuller is to Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-15006771561501517092008-08-11T10:53:00.000-04:002008-08-11T10:53:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-57183955488531014332008-08-11T09:14:00.000-04:002008-08-11T09:14:00.000-04:00"Who gets to decide what is and isn't authenticall..."Who gets to decide what is and isn't authentically black? "<BR/><BR/>Europeans have already defined this hence why there is so much confusion. They did this also so that they can seperate the accomplishments and achivements that black people did which is racist. This is why no one thinks that the ancient egypitians were black (dark skin wooly hair) because anytime a European laid eyes on such Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-67273087316832078832008-08-11T07:00:00.000-04:002008-08-11T07:00:00.000-04:00Also i've never stated that dating inter-racial wa...Also i've never stated that dating inter-racial was being a race traitor, what I stated is that having mixed children continues the same hierarchy that Europeans created when they were raping black women in order to create children to place over the children who are darker.<BR/><BR/>If Europeans never raped black women all of us would still strongly resemble out ancestors most of us still do.<BR/Ebony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-82830460740331583552008-08-11T06:52:00.000-04:002008-08-11T06:52:00.000-04:00"It is not for another to say who and what is legi..."It is not for another to say who and what is legitimately black, it is for the individual to accept or deny on their own terms."<BR/><BR/>You state all the time that black women who wear their hair permed, or weave are trying to be "EUROCENTRIC"<BR/><BR/>My hair is natural I haven't permed it in 11 years, I wear weave, and extentions, by doing that i'm not trying to be "eurocentric" black peopleEbony Intuitionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10391862182408461540noreply@blogger.com